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Re: The Legend is back

Post by Jaz » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:22 am

MrGrumpy wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:30 pm
There are / were quite a few Honda Cub clones around - are they as good as the original? Even Honda did the Innova which is basically the same thing with different styling. Whilst I like the idea of something very economical and reliable, and a basically very sound design, the new version seems like a plaything - no screen, no storage. And that keyless ignition looks hard!
The clones are standard no-brand Chinese fare - quick rot cycle parts, disintegrating rubber, exploding gearboxes, flaky electrics (I recall one that was delivered in a crate as new that had clearly had a wiring fire), Wensleydale bearings etc. etc. You also get the benefit of 'improvements' like the different sized brake on the front - now that no-one's importing the bikes any more (apart from the odd container load here and there) spares will potentially become a problem. Obviously you'll meet someone who had one that worked but caveat emptor applies here, and paying more than two-digit sums for one is not recommended.

The Innova represents sensible progress and improvements over the C90 - a few more cubes, the all-important 4th gear, better suspension, better brakes, better lights (on the later, injected bikes anyway). It's a far superior machine in every practical way, and older ones can be picked up for pennies these days. The Cub is an antique (albeit a very nice one), and this new edition is priced not on what it cost to make, but on the market they expect to sell it to i.e. 'leisure' users.

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by bikerdezzie » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:40 pm

Sym did a decent cub copy.
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Re: The Legend is back

Post by Jimo » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:50 pm

Perhaps after three years the price of a ‘new’ cub might be reasonable, - if Honda have not priced themselves off the market!

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by Data » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:53 am

riders in the storm wrote:
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smeghead wrote:
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Or this for 1500 quid. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified ... rd-listing
Never seen one of those before.

It's pretty obvious Honda have just copied it....


And then added 2 grand to the price.

:D
It's the other way around! Everyone copies Honda's design, including the engines. Sym of course were building genuine Honda's under licence for Honda a few years back so they know a thing or two about build quality. But the Sym does look good. I prefer the Honda though as you'll be able to go almost anywhere on it and get parts. Plus the Honda is more powerful and a bit bigger. Accessories will be available for the Honda in due course such as screen, rack etc, even a dual seat so I'm hearing with the necessary footpegs (this may be some way off though). The new Honda will be totally bullet proof if it's anything like the old C50/70/90's.

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by Jimo » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:19 am

But with each add-on the price goes into orbit which makes it a lesser deal. Surely better to place the new Cub in the last pricing position of the out-going C90 and take it from there. But maybe some dealers will cut the price?

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by riders in the storm » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:18 am

:D
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It's the other way around! Everyone copies Honda's design, including the engines. Sym of course were building genuine Honda's under licence for Honda a few years back so they know a thing or two about build quality. But the Sym does look good. I prefer the Honda though as you'll be able to go almost anywhere on it and get parts. Plus the Honda is more powerful and a bit bigger. Accessories will be available for the Honda in due course such as screen, rack etc, even a dual seat so I'm hearing with the necessary footpegs (this may be some way off though). The new Honda will be totally bullet proof if it's anything like the old C50/70/90's.
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I do realise that Data, hence my :D at the end of my post........ ;)

As a schoolboy in the 70's I used to stand outside the local bike shop at lunch time looking at the C50/C70/C90's for sale and wonder how much difference each engine size made. Back then "workmen" rode them to work, I can remember when I did my apprenticeship seeing loads being ridden into Cammell Lairds in Birkenhead.....

I won't now though, the only "Supercubs" I will see will be in the hands of wealthy, nostalgic hipsters, it's clearly not aimed at the utilitarian market anymore.... :(

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by Meldrew » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:17 am

Of course it isn't, previous posters haven't mentioned 'The Legend' is no longer the fondly rembered 50 to 90cc work hack of yesteryear but a thoroughly modern125 with EFI, keyless ignition, cast wheels, ABS, LED lights, Euro 4 engine etc, and the price reflects that.

It's moved on from the cheapo transport of factory workers who rode them for all their working lives on L plates with an annually renewed Provisional Licence. The old Cubs gradually faded away over the years from the bike sheds where I worked as the owners retired and licencing changed, the one I rode for a time was stolen.

You still see classic Cubs about with their Stadium screens and tartan panniers and long may that continue. As far as I'm aware hipsters aren't riding them, just old blokes going to their allotment, or carrying baskets of pigeons on the back.

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by horobags » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:55 am

A lot of origional cubs are also being converted to customs and 'chopped' The occasional one looks good , but the majority are bodged, Its a real shame.
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Re: The Legend is back

Post by Jaz » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:01 pm

bikerdezzie wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:40 pm
Sym did a decent cub copy.
The Symba was a lookalike, not a true copy in the sense that the Chinese things were. Good bike though, if you can find any parts for it. The best copies (or near copy anyway) are the earlier incarnations of the Daelim Citi Ace.
horobags wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:55 am
A lot of origional cubs are also being converted to customs and 'chopped' The occasional one looks good , but the majority are bodged, Its a real shame.
Yeah, that is sad. Nearly all of them look like shit, are deathtraps and when the fashion changes in a few years they'll be scrapped because the hacked-about frames will be beyond restoration.

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by muddyfox » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:14 pm

Hunts in Manchester now offering test rides.
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