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Re: The Legend is back

Post by Data » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:59 pm

riders in the storm wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:18 am
:D
It's the other way around! Everyone copies Honda's design, including the engines. Sym of course were building genuine Honda's under licence for Honda a few years back so they know a thing or two about build quality. But the Sym does look good. I prefer the Honda though as you'll be able to go almost anywhere on it and get parts. Plus the Honda is more powerful and a bit bigger. Accessories will be available for the Honda in due course such as screen, rack etc, even a dual seat so I'm hearing with the necessary footpegs (this may be some way off though). The new Honda will be totally bullet proof if it's anything like the old C50/70/90's.
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I do realise that Data, hence my :D at the end of my post........ ;)

As a schoolboy in the 70's I used to stand outside the local bike shop at lunch time looking at the C50/C70/C90's for sale and wonder how much difference each engine size made. Back then "workmen" rode them to work, I can remember when I did my apprenticeship seeing loads being ridden into Cammell Lairds in Birkenhead.....

I won't now though, the only "Supercubs" I will see will be in the hands of wealthy, nostalgic hipsters, it's clearly not aimed at the utilitarian market anymore.... :(
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Sorry, missed that lol... :lol:

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by capitano » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:05 pm

Jaz wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:22 am
The clones are standard no-brand Chinese fare - quick rot cycle parts, disintegrating rubber, exploding gearboxes, flaky electrics (I recall one that was delivered in a crate as new that had clearly had a wiring fire), Wensleydale bearings etc. etc. You also get the benefit of 'improvements' like the different sized brake on the front - now that no-one's importing the bikes any more (apart from the odd container load here and there) spares will potentially become a problem. Obviously you'll meet someone who had one that worked but caveat emptor applies here, and paying more than two-digit sums for one is not recommended.
I'm inclined to disagree. There's a very long, ongoing, thread on the C90club forum just for Riders Cub clones, in addition to the later Zeths ones. No they aren't the same build quality as the old Hondas but they are far from being the crock of sh** you imply. There are many that have done decent mileages now and still turn up on C90club events. The gearboxes AFAIK haven't given any issues, probably because they are direct copies of the 3 speed semi auto Honda boxes. I believe that some of the Chinese 4 speed boxes in the Wave/innova clones have given issues, though decent ones from Lifan & Loncin seem to be far better built.;)

You are absolutely correct about the brake drum. I can't get my head round why anyone thought that was a good idea. :?
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You still see classic Cubs about with their Stadium screens and tartan panniers and long may that continue. As far as I'm aware hipsters aren't riding them, just old blokes going to their allotment, or carrying baskets of pigeons on the back.
... and the masses of C90club and cubchat members, still riding them anywhere and everywhere. 8-)
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Re: The Legend is back

Post by horobags » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:44 pm

agreed, of all motorcycle/scooters ever produced , the honda cub gets my 100% respect.
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Re: The Legend is back

Post by Dave Weller » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:18 am

My first long ride on a motorcycle, South London to Swanage on HPL400C a C100 in 1966, and this year I will repeat it on the Innova. My love for these well made small bikes has stayed with me, I commuted into London on them saving me money and not catching colds and flu from using the crowded trains. You are under the police radar when using them, being waved through during drink driving crackdowns.
I always feel pleased when I fill up at petrol stations and get change of a fiver having been out all day.
But it was the engineering that set them apart, very reliable Stanley electrics, good oil leak free engines.
A Bantam or a Cub, like chalk and cheese.
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Re: The Legend is back

Post by Jaz » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:00 pm

capitano wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:05 pm
I'm inclined to disagree. There's a very long, ongoing, thread on the C90club forum just for Riders Cub clones, in addition to the later Zeths ones. No they aren't the same build quality as the old Hondas but they are far from being the crock of sh** you imply. There are many that have done decent mileages now and still turn up on C90club events. The gearboxes AFAIK haven't given any issues, probably because they are direct copies of the 3 speed semi auto Honda boxes. I believe that some of the Chinese 4 speed boxes in the Wave/innova clones have given issues, though decent ones from Lifan & Loncin seem to be far better built.;)
Fair enough, your experience of them is surely more recent than mine (I haven't been anywhere on a Cub of any description in at least three years), although the fire damaged POS I mention is in one of those threads on c90club. All the ones I have seen in the flesh, and have had personal experience of fixing/laughing at have been the level of complete shit I describe earlier, though.

Loncin's Innova clones... yeah, maybe worth a look but 4-speed Lifan Cub engines are a total lottery when it comes to gearbox lifespan. But whatever... I don't do that sort of thing anymore so it's not my problem :D

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by capitano » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:44 am

Jaz wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:00 pm
capitano wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:05 pm
I'm inclined to disagree. There's a very long, ongoing, thread on the C90club forum just for Riders Cub clones, in addition to the later Zeths ones. No they aren't the same build quality as the old Hondas but they are far from being the crock of sh** you imply. There are many that have done decent mileages now and still turn up on C90club events. The gearboxes AFAIK haven't given any issues, probably because they are direct copies of the 3 speed semi auto Honda boxes. I believe that some of the Chinese 4 speed boxes in the Wave/innova clones have given issues, though decent ones from Lifan & Loncin seem to be far better built.;)
Fair enough, your experience of them is surely more recent than mine (I haven't been anywhere on a Cub of any description in at least three years), although the fire damaged POS I mention is in one of those threads on c90club. All the ones I have seen in the flesh, and have had personal experience of fixing/laughing at have been the level of complete shit I describe earlier, though.

Loncin's Innova clones... yeah, maybe worth a look but 4-speed Lifan Cub engines are a total lottery when it comes to gearbox lifespan. But whatever... I don't do that sort of thing anymore so it's not my problem :D
It might be that they have improved in recent years. I probably started riding Cubs again, and taking notice of what's hot and what's not, while you were winding down.

The Lifan 4 speed boxes may well have had some issues in the past, but ones bought and used in the last 4 years have a great reputation. Bogger's 110 4 speed Lifan has been thrashed around Europe every year, as well as being used for commuting, plus he ain't a small bloke. :lol:

The Chinese Riders Cubs owned by C90club folks are racking up regular mileages. However that's not to say that there aren't just as many rotting in sheds or burned out in breakers' yards.

Back on topic, the new C125A Supercubs are now starting to appear on the C90club forum. At least one of those has been bought specifically for commuting.

I would love one myself, but being self employed, and not well enough to work properly for half the year has put paid to any idea of that! 8-)

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by horobags » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:53 am

but dont worry Ged, next year you'll be able to get a mint used one for £2500. :P
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Re: The Legend is back

Post by capitano » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:03 am

horobags wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:53 am
but dont worry Ged, next year you'll be able to get a mint used one for £2500. :P
Next year?!!!

You'll have had one of every colour at least and sold them well before that, I reckon. 8-)

..... There's also the fact that I don't actually know what I will be able to ride yet, including the bikes in my garage now! :lol:

Surgery was completed successfully on 6th November, and I still have several weeks of recovery before I can work properly.

If all progresses properly I will start looking at what's feasible after Christmas.

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Re: The Legend is back

Post by horobags » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:50 am

good stuff, at least its behind you now. I'm self employed and when recovering from surgery it can be very frustrating I know, but with time you will be back to normal Ged, just keep an open mind as the healing process is out of your hands.
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Re: The Legend is back

Post by capitano » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:41 am

horobags wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:50 am
just keep an open mind as the healing process is out of your hands.
Given where the surgery was performed through, it's rarely out of my hands, at least not several times a day. :lol:


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