Honda Helix for sale

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Re: Honda Helix for sale

Post by capitano » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:40 am

Jaz wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:55 pm
Ged, can you not see the irony of someone with the poor judgement and rank bad taste to own not one but two H1s criticizing any other motorcycle, never mind the Helix?
Only to well ,Jaz, mate, only too well.

During my years of employment one of the words I inhabited was that of writing instrument manufacturing. This brought to my attention the world of the pen collector, and pen collectors' forums.

Seriously these guys would think nothing of spending more than I've ever spent on a car (and more than I'd have bought a house for when I was first legal able to) on an incontinent, decrepit old pen.

On the same forums they'd have a chit-chat section where the self same people would decry "idiots," who bought VW camper vans, "because they weren't even that good when they were new."

Even when the irony was reflected back at them, they couldn't see it. And it's like that i a lot of things, folks mock what they don't understand.

We're all different. Some folks like different stuff, but sometimes our reasons to hate on other things are simply due to a lack of perspective.

Leading nicely onto ...
Jaz wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:55 pm
How seriously can you take the opinion of anyone who thinks a useless contraption like the H1 is a classic? It's one of the worst motorcycles ever designed and committed to production. Even during its production run it was ridiculed and regarded as a design blind alley. That people mistakenly equate age with classic status and pay ridiculous sums for these piles of shite only speaks for the gullibility of certain individuals. But then as the old saying goes - you can't educate pork, can you?
Maybe I'm a tad older than you, Jaz, but my opinions on the H1 are completely different. Folks were still riding them when started to ride. I rode a few myself, and H2s but never owned one. One of the main reasons was not being able to afford the fuel on an apprentice's wages.

Folks owning H1s now aren't buying an H1, they are buying the feeling that owning/riding an H1 gives them. Their job isn't to be a mode of transport, it's to make their owners happy. A Helix makes you happy for different reasons and it's not my place to speculate on what those reasons are, but I respect those reasons.

The biggest test in this acceptance came to me when I was asked to judge a class at a local transport fair, being a prominent local business and a known motorcyclist. The clear, head-and-shoulders-above-everything-else winner was a pristine example of a bike I'd owned in my youth. It was pants, absolute rubbish, and for once that was the fault of the bike, not me.

But, the guy had invested a shedload of his own time and his money in restoring a bike he remembered differently. It was stunning, but did I award it its rightful prize?

Of course I did. 8-)

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Re: Honda Helix for sale

Post by orange1290 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:04 am

and what's grinding certain posters on here is that I bought 2 H1s for less than the price of 2 Helixs (Helixi?), basically around £800 each (and in excellent condition) in 1999 when no one wanted them. Where I come from, making a good/successful decision is congratulated but (and I used to live in the UK) there are so many who hate other people success, no matter how small, jealousy by the bucket load. Fortunately it's only a small core of idiots who have this mentality and they think they can hide it but it eventually gets exposed.
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Re: Honda Helix for sale

Post by Meldrew » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:52 am

Since I've posted on this topic I can assure you that nothing to quote your quaint turn of phrase is 'grindiing me'.

Nowadays cluttering up my garage with more than one maxi, or an old motorcycle whatever it's value would annoy the hell out of me,

I'd also find it amusing if there are retired Baby Boomers out there willing to spend a wodge of of their retirement cash buying an evil handling 1970's 2-stroke to try and relive their lost youth. But it seems there's also saddo's willing to pay thousands to buy restored Yamaha FS-1E mopeds. I'll have to see if someone on eBay is selling stick on pimples to them for that authentic spotty teenager look.

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Re: Honda Helix for sale

Post by orange1290 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:07 am

Well, many comment on these bikes without having ever owned or ridden one. With modern tyres, brake pads, brake shoes and suspension (yes you can get original looking shocks with modern internals, they handle perfectly ok and aren't 'lethal' as many who've no experience with them shout in their local pubs. Sure they have limits like all bikes but as any experienced rider will know that. Also, what's it got to do with 'reliving lost youth'? Yet more supposition from someone who is obviously clueless on these bikes and using emotionally word to cover up for a lack of anything valid to contribute to the discussion. I've got an XMAX 300, a 1290 SA and a couple of nice classics. Why people get upset with that and start to insult the people who have them is pure jealousy. Most people would say, how interesting they are even if they've got no experience with them. Instead there are a few miserable and jealous people like yourself who can't stand others when they've made an effort to do something different.
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Re: Honda Helix for sale

Post by Has been maxi tours » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:19 am

I think your exposing more about yourself than us .

Its better to be a "Has been " than a "Never Was "

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Re: Honda Helix for sale

Post by orange1290 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:45 am

Has been maxi tours wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:19 am
I think your exposing more about yourself than us .
What am I exposing?? I posted that I had a couple of classic bikes. That resulted in insults and derision coming my way. Sorry but you're well out of order and you know it. You simply can't take what you give out, so what has that exposed? No more comments from me as it seems that a minority on here have some issues with others enjoying their pastimes.
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Re: Honda Helix for sale

Post by Meldrew » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:56 am

You're forgetting there weren't that many UK Kawasaki dealerships back in the Seventies. So most new riders went for the air cooled Suzuki and Yamaha 2-strokes, and of course you went and bought what you could afford. Capitano mentioned an apprentices wages and that's what a lot of lads were on who were buying them. Then when Yamaha brought out the water cooled RD 250 and 350 two strokes, everything else was toast.

I myself started out on Suzuki GT 185 and 250's and when I passed my test I bought a Kawasaki Z750 twin 4- stroke which I was naive enough to think would be like a classic British twin without the faults.It turned out to be a real lemon and I've avoided the Kawasaki brand ever since.

As I'm obviously not clued up here, who exactly are the ideal buyers for these sought after 'classic' Kawasaki’s if not nostalgia freaks of a certain age, if you've had offers you must have some idea who they are. That would give myself and others a bit more understanding, instead you keep smugly banging on how valuable they are.

Yes you have all these bikes, but you can only ride one of them, and if we agreed now to set off in a hours time and ride for the next 3 hours how far would you get on your your KTM or XMax, about 30 to 40 miles at most.

I can leave home and in 3 hours I can be over the Pennines and into the Lake District, or up over the border into Scotland, Even within a hour I've got hills, moors, dales, fast A roads, country roads, just everything you don't have in Malta. If it makes you feel any better there's no roads here in North Yorkshire with long hedges of prickly pear cactus either side.

Speaking for myself I'm not upset in the least, certainly haven't intentionally insulted you, and I'm at an age now where acquiring ever more possessions is becoming increasingly irrelevant. So I'm not jealous that you have two old Kawasaki’s, yes I certainly have no experience of riding them, I probably couldn't throw my leg over an adventure bike these days either.

But neither am I stuck on a small densely populated island in the Med with a limited choice of where to ride, For example Pretty Bay, it sounds nice in a brochure, in reality it's a small strip of beach in the shadow of a large container port.

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Re: Honda Helix for sale

Post by XP500FUN » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:04 am

I sold my Suzuki GT500 for £150 in the 90`s.

Very nice order etc, thats what I paid for it, I was chuffed to get that back a year later.

If I had those two bikes worth £18K in my garage I would sell them and give the money to the children and the grandaughter.

Thats what I`d do if I still had the GT500 sat under a cloth etc.

Might get myself a 4K Blu Ray Player as well on the sneaky.

These crazy prices are more about finding a possitive focus and meaning in your life I`m sure, so a fair bit beyond thier actual real worth.

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Re: Honda Helix for sale

Post by Jimo » Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:38 pm

PLEASE post a picture of this much talked about bike.... it must be something that in my 82 years I’ve never heard of, but then I’ve never owned a kwacker or had an urge to.

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Re: Honda Helix for sale

Post by fullcirclemax » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:42 pm

Thought I had left spite behind on bike forums. Have for a few years been waiting for a bit of a price drop on Honda integras and replacing whatever scooter I have at the time. The sh though has proven to be good enough to hang on to even to the point i would rather keep it and spend the money on of all things a classic Yamaha rd. so what if it costs 5 6 or even 7 thousand plus, a 2 stroke can be dependable enough to cross continents, mine might have to. I do have an old 250 that I was going to recommission not restore this winter but it makes no financial sense or is something that I want to be doing with due to travel and housing plans. So the sh will stay to be joined by a 2 stroke costing north of £5000. It’s worth it to me as I know it will be fun and light and simple and hold its value, even handle, seeing as they ran rings round the bigger 4 strokes of the day and with modern tyres on the modern day average road, I don’t see things being much different. What’s the cheapest new, decent motorbike? Take the sv650 for instance, or a fazer, a vfr, more efficient but are they better? On the subject of reliability of 2 strokes, one of my favourites was the rd200, apart from the reed valves the bike underneath the tank is from way back in the 60s and the crankshafts which were used in both the 200 and the 125 from which it grew were strong enough for racing. There was a 1974 rd200 that was sold on between a few of us so there were no secrets about its history or hard use, it managed to disgrace itself by going off song, soon traced to a piston that was suffering detonation. A used spare was fitted, probably taking all of half an hour and the bike went on to clock up another 20000 odd miles before being sold on to do who knows how many more miles. And the mileage the piston protested? 45000, not shabby in the first place.


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