Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

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Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

Post by StephenC » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:09 pm

So we all know the outcome of round 1: the Xmax engine wins by a mile in the 300cc class, being more powerful and economical than anything around.

But after 18 months of an Xmax and now my first night ride on the Forza I am calling the result of round 2: the headlight test.

It's a comprehensive victory for the Honda, no question.

It's well known that the Xmax dipped beam is poor, with little spread and depth. The main of course is pathetic and the rider would be better served reflecting the blue warning light forward than relying on the actual main beam itself.

The Honda' s headlights by comparison are just fine. They do what they should and whilst not as good as my old Satelis, they are good enough.

So the conclusion so far is that the Xmax is good, really good. Just crap for riding in the dark when you really need to have a Forza instead
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Re: Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

Post by Meldrew » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:13 am

Yes but that's only how you see it, I crossed the XMax off my buying list after after trying one out in York about a year ago. So I went off to a Honda dealer a week or so later and ordered my Forza. Eleven months later I'm still enjoying the Forza, and a change of screen and a few other additions have made it into a very nice lightweight touring scooter that also excels on the varied roads of rural North Yorkshire.

Ask me about it's abilities in rush hour traffic, filtering, and using it as a commuting hack and I wouldn’t have much an idea beyond riding round York’s ring roads.

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Re: Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

Post by Symcity » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:37 am

Both are exceptional scooters however the Yamaha sports the bluecore engine which I believe is far superior to the old Honda lump

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Re: Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

Post by StephenC » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:53 am

Symcity wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:37 am
Both are exceptional scooters however the Yamaha sports the bluecore engine which I believe is far superior to the old Honda lump
No doubt about that. But as an overall package for someone who needs to ride on unlit roads it isn't a sensible purchase.
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Re: Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

Post by Meldrew » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:22 am

Symcity wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:37 am
Both are exceptional scooters however the Yamaha sports the bluecore engine which I believe is far superior to the old Honda lump
It's certainly a bit bigger 292cc to 279cc and obviously newer Bluecore engine will a bit more fuel efficient. However you (and a few others) have this misconception that that the old Honda lump you mention is the same old lump that you have in your SH300. Which I find quite surprising really given that owners on here are generally happy with the SH300 and the performance the old lump kicks out.

Do a bit of research on the new Forza's lump and you'll find this isn't the case, it certainly shares the same engine but it's been extensively tuned and reworked by Honda for the compact sports style Forza.

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Re: Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

Post by smeghead » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:46 am

It always absolutely staggers me that manufacturers can't get a basic but essential element like lighting right. There really is no excuse. It's just a poor show.

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Re: Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

Post by MrGrumpy » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:16 am

There again, most smaller scoots are going to be used in urban areas on roads that are lit - so the effectiveness or otherwise of the headlights is mostly irrelevant. If you live in the countryside, tough luck!
I must admit I rarely ride in the dark these days, so headlight effectiveness of the Tmax isn't high on my priorities!
Going off on a tangent, I was in the car the other day and was overtaken by a naked bike of some kind with some sort of trendy modern small headlight - it may or may not be effective in lighting the road ahead but the small size of the light misled me to think that the bike was much further away than it really was....very clever tech, but possibly lethal!!!

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Re: Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

Post by StephenC » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:24 am

MrGrumpy wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:16 am
There again, most smaller scoots are going to be used in urban areas on roads that are lit - so the effectiveness or otherwise of the headlights is mostly irrelevant. If you live in the countryside, tough luck!
I must admit I rarely ride in the dark these days, so headlight effectiveness of the Tmax isn't high on my priorities!
Yes no doubt that's where most will only ever be used. But I think when you step up to the 250/300 cc mark you should be able to expect the scoot can handle most things.

Still, if I didn't live in the countryside I would probably keep the Xmax on my "possibles" list.

The other factor to consider, if you don't do it yourself, is the servicing though. The Xmax requires attention every 3k whereas the Forza only every 8k. And I bought the service plan where three services are pre-paid for £600 (600, 9k, 16k). This includes the belt change too!
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Re: Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

Post by Has been maxi tours » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:29 am

Maybe you could do long term test review after every
8k service .

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Re: Xmax Vs Forza. Round 2

Post by MrGrumpy » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:32 pm

StephenC wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:24 am


The other factor to consider, if you don't do it yourself, is the servicing though. The Xmax requires attention every 3k whereas the Forza only every 8k. And I bought the service plan where three services are pre-paid for £600 (600, 9k, 16k). This includes the belt change too!
Is the Xmax 3000 mile just an oil change, like the Tmax? If so its obviously not expensive, but of course, it all adds up.


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