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[wozza]

On the NC700 I just leave it in D mode and never bother with S mode. If you open the throttle quickly even in D mode the box kicks down a gear for the extra acceleration anyway.....Spot on!

OK lets divert this thread to discussing the NC700 (again).....I've just been reading an old MS&L mag from when the N700s came out, and someone describing the features of the DCT. He said that the 'kick down' mode did work, but was hellish slow before the ECU finally decided that well, OK maybe economy isn't that important and a change of gear might be useful to preserve life - does it work better than that in reality? And the article also said that it puts itself back in Neutral every time you stop, so you have to select D or S every time to start off - Does it really do that, and isn't that INCREDIBLY ANNOYING???

Mr Grumpy sorry matet, but that is total crap from MS&aL and I'm surprised at the mag as it's one of the better mags on the market. - The DCT is not hellishly slow to kick down (well I don't find it so anyway) and it most certainly does not go into neutral everytime you stop. It only goes into neutral after you switch the engine off, or after you come to a stop when you the rider press the neutral button.
I've also read in a mag (can't remember which one) that you can go up through the gears quicker in the manual version, thereby improving your fuel consumption. That's total load od twaddle as well, in all my years of riding bikes I've never known a machine to go up through the gears quicker than a DCT. Also Honda themselves quote better fuel economy for the DCT.

If you have a Honda dealer near you with a DCT demonstrator go for a test ride, and then you can judge it for yourself.

[ridinhigh]

not a bike not a scooter make your fucking mind up. is a automatic car not a car then?
victor

just aint no reason for the swearing
IF buy a motorbike it will have 5 or six gears , i would class a bike with auto as a scooter ,but the Mana look like a motorbike , and reading these posts i really would not like to be cornering fast with a auto box that might not slow down, or might not engage gear,

[wozza]

not a bike not a scooter make your fucking mind up. is a automatic car not a car then?
victor

just aint no reason for the swearing
IF buy a motorbike it will have 5 or six gears , i would class a bike with auto as a scooter ,but the Mana look like a motorbike , and reading these posts i really would not like to be cornering fast with a auto box that might not slow down, or might not engage gear,

Deary me Mr Ridinhigh you really need to ride one before making such comments like that.
I don't wish to be rude, but you really don't seem to have any idea on how well a DCT box works. It's not perfect I accept, but it isn't too far away from being perfect.
Why wouldn't an autobox slow you down? You slow down by easing off on the throttle just the same as you would on any bike/scooter. If you want to slow down quicker you have the facility to change down yourself and, or use the brakes..... We're not talking about 'witchcraft here'.

The DCTs are selling very well indeed and I think this has caught Honda UK out a little with some people having to wait a couple of months if they want a certain colour. I had to wait 3 weeks and I chose from what was going to be the first available colours

[ridinhigh]

Nno you are not rude at all mate ,each to there own when i go into a corner on a bike hard i change down a gear or two brake
but it seems like on auto,s cant do that , its same on my GTS its a totally different way of cornering ,i dont find auto scooters open up as quick as a geared bike,
and no i do not want to ride a a mana or any other motorbike with auto box, i would probably end going straight on at a corner ending in a lampost or wall or some thing,
i have got used to no clutch on the gts but doubt very much i could get used to it on a mana cant see me ever getting my knee down on one those things

[Ferrit]

The problem is that you are judging the bikes by your perception of them and not actually what they can and cannot do. There is nothing on the Mana that prevents you changing down a gear on entering a corner.....however I was always taught to be in the correct gear before entering the corner....as you say, each to their own.

[wozza]

@ Ridinhigh yes you can change down on both the Mana and Honda before a corner and in the corner. If you have a Honda dealer near you with a DCT demonstrator take it out for a ride and all you auto fears will disappear..

[wozza]

The problem is that you are judging the bikes by your perception of them and not actually what they can and cannot do. There is nothing on the Mana that prevents you changing down a gear on entering a corner.....however I was always taught to be in the correct gear before entering the corner....as you say, each to their own.

I think you've got it spot on there.

[Earl]

not a bike not a scooter make your fucking mind up. is a automatic car not a car then?
victor

and reading these posts i really would not like to be cornering fast with a auto box that might not slow down, or might not engage gear,

Well I can answer one of your questions here my friend. I've ridden a GTS and my Mana will out engine brake it everytime going into a bend, so no worries there about it not slowing down. Plus I was always told to never shut the throttle off completely because you then dis-engage the variator and are basically free wheeling round the bend hence the slight lag when you come to exit, which is like knocking a geared bike into neutral in the bend then back into first as you come out of it, which I'm sure you're not meant to do.

Anyway it's horses for courses I hate the GTS and don't get me started on the ugly brother the GTV.

[ridinhigh]

so shutting the throttle could land you in neutral hence my post i would end up killing myself on one those

much rather have the gear change, im more a moto bike man than scooterist, its only age and injury force me on to a scooter,.tho i must say i really like the GTS and way it goes

ps and i hate the mana

[Earl]

so shutting the throttle could land you in neutral hence my post i would end up killing myself on one those

much rather have the gear change, im more a moto bike man than scooterist, its only age and injury force me on to a scooter,.tho i must say i really like the GTS and way it goes

ps and i hate the mana

But shutting the throttle off on your GTS does the same thing.

P.P.S. I really do hate the GTS with a passion lol