2013 Honda NSS300 Forza

[MrGrumpy]

In the early stages of the new scooter’s development, Honda’s engineers debated thoroughly how, why and where people around the world used their scooters, not just at present, but also for the future. Every aspect and detail was examined and the result, the NSS300 Forza, is designed to fit seamlessly and usefully into people’s daily lives, not only for commuting but also touring or sportier riding.
Physically big enough to accommodate two people in comfort, the NSS300 Forza’s flowing bodywork also provides superb weather protection, and space for two full-face crash helmets under the seat. But its body is also not so large that getting through tight spaces becomes a problem, because while the NSS300 Forza needs to perform at highway speeds, neatly dealing with urban traffic is also important.
Strong and extremely durable, its lightweight steel underbone frame offers nimble steering in traffic and stability at speed. 35mm telescopic forks, twin rear shocks and double-sided aluminium swingarm provide a comfortable and reassuring ride, while powerful front and rear disc brakes are assisted by CBS or optional Combined ABS.
The NSS300 Forza is powered by a torque 279cc, single-cylinder, four-stroke engine that delivers excellent fuel economy with all-round usability and great cruising speed. Final drive is via belt and V-Matic automatic transmission. Crisp and responsive, it provides more than enough power for the highway, with instant acceleration around town.

Or lets put the real version in....."Our last Forza was quite sucessful though very expensive to produce but was now being challenged by cheap competition from Taiwan and China. So we tried to make something similar but cheaper, which looked flash and modern, used as many of the SH300's bits as possible (which we'd nicked from an Offroad bike in the first place to save development costs), but which we could sell for not that much more than a Kymco, and sod those people who liked the flash multi-mode gearbox of the last model"

[terryvanman]

Or lets put the real version in....."Our last Forza was quite sucessful though very expensive to produce but was now being challenged by cheap competition from Taiwan and China. So we tried to make something similar but cheaper, which looked flash and modern, used as many of the SH300's bits as possible (which we'd nicked from an Offroad bike in the first place to save development costs), but which we could sell for not that much more than a Kymco, and sod those people who liked the flash multi-mode gearbox of the last model"[/quote]


so are you interested in my SH300

[gn2]

The complex gearbox from the previous Forza was ditched because it was totally pointless.
The engine in the Forza is based on the SH engine, it's not the same engine.
I doubt there are any parts in common with the SH, but if there are that will be a very good thing because it should mean that replacements will be cheaper.
As for whether a £4000 Kymco Downtown or a £4300 Sym Joymax with no ABS and a kph speedo are better vfm than a £4500 Honda with ABS and a proper speedo, well lets just wait and see what the sales figures look like by the end of the year.
IMO the Kymco and Sym should be priced closer to the Daelim S3.

[charles1976]

I wonder how it will compare to the likes of sym 400 etc

[gn2]

Pretty obvious really, the 400s are bigger, heavier, have more grunt but use more fuel.

[MrGrumpy]

so are you interested in my SH300

NO! I grew to dislike mine heartily, and wasn't at all sad to see it written off in an accident!

[MrGrumpy]

The complex gearbox from the previous Forza was ditched because it was totally pointless.
The engine in the Forza is based on the SH engine, it's not the same engine.
I doubt there are any parts in common with the SH, but if there are that will be a very good thing because it should mean that replacements will be cheaper.

The engine is the same engine as the SH, but retuned, rather oddly to give less power but at higher revs! Apparently is designed to give more power at open road speeds but less acceleration. Presumably the biggest difference is in the ECU software. Honda aren't going make anything very different if they are trying to keep the price down.

I don't know too much about the original gearbox, but didn't it have it various modes kind of like the Burgman??? Sounded like fun anyway. Don't think you could semi-auto it though, though that would be little loss.

[gn2]

The Forza 250 transmission was "S-Matic" here's a full explanation: http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-technology/s_matic/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does the SH300 engine have an offset cylinder and roller rocker arms?

Here's an extract from a Honda news announcement:

"The NSS300 FORZA's 279cc, liquid-cooled SOHC four-valve engine is based on that of the well-established SH300i, with power characteristics tuned to deliverexcellent fuel economy plus an entertaining ride at low, mid and high rpm. It has a bore and stroke of 72mm x 68.5mm, and compression ratio of 10.5:1. A roller type rocker arm, plain journal crank bearings and sealed crankcases deliver long-term reliability; oil capacity is 1.7-litres.

A 5mm (Exhaust side) offset cylinder reduces internal friction and CAE has been used to improve cooling efficiency. Careful gasflow management took in the shape of the combustion chamber and matched the middle-section profile of both intake and exhaust ports for a more efficient burn - valve timing has been altered to suit and long-reach projection-type spark plugs also employed."

n.b "is based on" not "is the same"
Source: http://www.hondanews.eu/en/motorcyclene ... l/?id=2540" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[MrGrumpy]

Here's an extract from a Honda news announcement:

"The NSS300 FORZA's 279cc, liquid-cooled SOHC four-valve engine is based on that of the well-established SH300i, with power characteristics tuned to deliverexcellent fuel economy plus an entertaining ride at low, mid and high rpm. It has a bore and stroke of 72mm x 68.5mm, and compression ratio of 10.5:1. A roller type rocker arm, plain journal crank bearings and sealed crankcases deliver long-term reliability; oil capacity is 1.7-litres.

n.b "is based on" not "is the same"

Would Honda design a brand new engine from scratch, or heavily modify one, when they already had one to hand?? I doubt it. They even nicked the SH engine from a motocross bike in the first place to avoid designing a new one. I strongly suspect that 'based on' is marketing speak for 'slightly different' ! After all, the only difference they mention is that power characteristics have been modified.

[davidw]

Forza ordered today from Rochdale Honda,Anyone want to buy a Yamaha 250 Xmax? 1 year old and under 2500 miles .