PeterC wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:56 am Max payload figures for all the sub 500cc scooters are so similar, (eg. 165kg for the earlier Burgman, 165kg J300, 177kg Forza), that I decided it was not worth worrying about, better to find the bike which had the size and riding comfort which suited me. Engines. transmissions and suspension wear according to the way they are used/misused and it should be pretty obvious to the rider if you've overloaded your bike.