2022 AN400

[Dogsbody]

Just changed my 2008 for a 2022 with less than 200miles on the clock. Looking on eBay there are no workshop manuals for sale to cove the new model, 2018 on. Anybody seen one? So far feels good, much more responsive but that is to be expected, weather looking rubbish for next week or so . It had a huge Givi box so had to change the baseplate from Monokey to Monolock to use a sensible size one, but nothing else needed yet. Any foibles on later models?

[riders in the storm]

Hi, I also have a 2022 Burgman 400 similarly with about 250 miles on the clock. I bought it new in the spring of last year, but with work commitments and using my other bike I haven't used it much yet. I'm hoping to change that this year....!

I have fitted the Givi monolock base plate and fabricated an intermediary "spacer" to take my Givi universal base plate & Givi topbox. I've fitted mirror extenders, made a rad guard, fitted a front mudflap, a CTEK charger connection and over christmas fitted the Givi tall screen & a Puig wind deflector on top of that ( I'm quite tall!).

I'm going to do a few more miles on it then give it it's first oil & filter change.

I haven't got a workshop manual but there is a goldmine of useful info on you tube, two particular USA contributors, Mitch's Scooter stuff & McBergsma, plus the USA Burgman Owners forum........

Only problem I've had so far was forgetting to release the handbrake and wondering why it seemed rather sluggish and what the smell of burning was......

Never had a parking brake on a bike before......

[Data]

I've done the factory courses on the Burgman 400's. Not the very latest models but up to 2015 bikes. Dunno if that will help you. Mechanically they are much the same. Main thing is to use the correct engine oil, NOT diesel engine oil as promoted on the burgmanusa site. Myself & others have written extensively on that site about the need to use only motorcycle oil & the reasons for that, not car or truck oil. Many Americans think oil is oil & all does the same job... Nothing could be further from the truth. It sparked some lively debate to say the least!

I'm 'Quantum Mechanic' on that site. Below is a sample of some of the discussion which some will find interesting. 'Bluebottle' was a regular poster on Muppets at one time & shares a scientific/engineering background not too unlike myself but with more of a software base to it.

https://www.burgmanusa.com/threads/how- ... 487/page-3

[Dogsbody]

Thanks for that Data. Most of the engine apart from twin plug head on the latest appears the same. Interestingly the handbook specifies JASO MB oil 10-40. Alternative API specSJ, SL, SM or SN, but says use only SJ or SL. Odd.

[Dogsbody]

Data, have you ever seen this?
https://www.accessnorton.com/Oil-Tests/NortonOil.php

[Data]

No, haven't seen that particular article but it looks pretty good. Thanks for posting it.

In my engine design & development days the testing I was involved with was related more towards the actual engines under our design & development rather than purely oil testing. It was my job to follow the engines through from design stage & primary production of the initial engines, all the way to development. At first, for me this involved just the induction, cylinders, pistons & rings, cylinder head & exhaust. Later I took over every aspect of the engine with another design colleague & a small team. We did everything. We worked alongside industry Tribologists & Metalurgy specialists. Although every aspect of the engine became our responsibility. It was an amazing job & totally consuming. Loved it!

My main aim was to break the engines & find weaknesses, then come up with solutions to make them last longer. These were both car & bike engines. This involved trialing different oils & additives too. In fact, oil was one of the most important features of the trials. It was very revealing just how different oils performed in different types of motor. We used internationally recognised methodology to do this. It involved incredibly detailed blueprinting of engines at the start of the trials & during testing to examine every part of the motor for wear. The tests were conducted on the benches in labs & in vehicles on the road. I travelled widely to undertake the blueprinting as we had engines all over Europe in differing vehicles. No one was allowed to touch the engines except for me & my colleague. Our results were copyrighted unfortunately so not available to the public, but the testing was an eye opener even for me.

[fm12]

No, haven't seen that particular article but it looks pretty good. Thanks for posting it.

In my engine design & development days the testing I was involved with was related more towards the actual engines under our design & development rather than purely oil testing. It was my job to follow the engines through from design stage & primary production of the initial engines, all the way to development. At first, for me this involved just the induction, cylinders, pistons & rings, cylinder head & exhaust. Later I took over every aspect of the engine with another design colleague & a small team. We did everything. We worked alongside industry Tribologists & Metalurgy specialists. Although every aspect of the engine became our responsibility. It was an amazing job & totally consuming. Loved it!

My main aim was to break the engines & find weaknesses, then come up with solutions to make them last longer. These were both car & bike engines. This involved trialing different oils & additives too. In fact, oil was one of the most important features of the trials. It was very revealing just how different oils performed in different types of motor. We used internationally recognised methodology to do this. It involved incredibly detailed blueprinting of engines at the start of the trials & during testing to examine every part of the motor for wear. The tests were conducted on the benches in labs & in vehicles on the road. I travelled widely to undertake the blueprinting as we had engines all over Europe in differing vehicles. No one was allowed to touch the engines except for me & my colleague. Our results were copyrighted unfortunately so not available to the public, but the testing was an eye opener even for me.

Not to get into a argument but from the seventies til I retired in 2017 I used 10/40 diesel oil in everything I owned, all my garden equipment and all my bikes ranging from a 1929 Sumbean model 8 up to my then newest bike a Yam xjr 1300. I had a wide range of bikes mainly British mid fifties and sixties. Used to buy the oil in 200L (45gall) drums. Just last week I changed the oil on my 1988 Suzuki gs850g(had it from new,tank of a bike)the bike runs well with 42000 miles on the clock. Diesel oil isn't as bad as some folk make it out to be, most manufacturers specify oil by API standards and in my experience usually diesel oil meets these specs. Of course there are some exceptions, in my case my 2014 Berlingo 1.6d needs 5/30 fully synthetic, which I adhere too given the well known turbo oil feed problem.

[Data]

Hi fm, yes you can use whatever oil you wish but MC oil is far superior in every way. Far superior oil film strength (ofs), far superior electrostatic cling (one of the critical factors at higher revs) & much better handling of carbon & dirt deposits all resulting in considerably reduced engine wear over the use of diesel engine oils. Every testing house confirms this. However if you are happy with your current oil that's fine but if you haven't done so already you might try reading the thread in the link I attached earlier in one of my posts. It takes you to burgmanusa.com with quite a bit of useful information. I'm Quantum Mechanic on that site.

Overall the conclusions we reached after exhaustive testing (lasting nearly two years) of MC engines using diesel engine oils showed a reduced engine life cycle of a mean 35%. That's aside from more frequent failures of certain engine components along the way & reduced mpg & power. Surprising isn't it.

[riders in the storm]

Ah.....we have gone from talking about Burgmans to an oil thread.............

[Data]

Yeah, I'm done here.