Pro,s an Cons of two scooters

[ridinhigh]

Hi lads, out of two scooters the XEVO 400cc or Burgman 400
if you were to buy one or other ,
whats advantages of either one and disadvantages,would most grateful for replys

keith

[StevenM]

I have never been on a xevo but they look like they would be no good for tall people as the foot rests look a lot smaller. The burger is a good ride and i'm 6ft so plenty of room although not as good as the tmax. Great storage and very economical over 65mpg. Good weather protection, top speed of 95mph but the red line is at 80mph at 8000rpm so I tend to stick between 65-70 on the motorways. Suzuki parts are quite expensive just bought 6 caliper pad pins at a total of £65 but found some a week later on ebay for half the price. Overall the burgman is a good all rounder but I would love the twin cyclinder again.

[jamie]

depends on. you having owned both id take the piaggio everytime because of the riding position of the xevo i prefer the feet down rather than forward which i had to do on the burgman but thats just my preferance

if you are doing home serviceing i found the piaggio easier to work on.. parts easy to get hold of and a hell of a lot cheaper than suzuki parts ..

that said the downsides are the screen is dreadful [budget about 100 quid for a givi ] and hit a rut and you will feel it right up your spine lol no matter what the shocks are set on

and when cruising it will turn in fabulous mpg well into the 90s round town ridden quite hard i average around 70

[Deleted User 796]

I've ridden both and currently have a Xevo, I'm 6"2 and 18 stone and I don't have a problem with leg room. I do have to move my knee out the way on a full lock (U turn)turn though. IMO (nicked from another of my posts):

Burgman Pros:
Leg room
Pillion room
Underseat and console storage
Dash is easier to see
Build quality (by a long way)
Resale value
Better from a standing start than the Xevo

Xevo pros:
Price
Better seating for viewing (higher up, can see further/more)
Better mirrors (only my opinion - I like the fixed mirrors a lot)
Remote seat (on mine anyway)
Longer service intervals/Cheaper service
More mid/top end oomph (slightly)
Stainless steel exhaust which also sounds nicer
Better fuel economy?

[rintintin]

Never ridden a Burgman, but really enjoyed owning Xevo for a year and a half. Agree with Jamie re downsides on the screeen (I had a Givi on mine which was a huge improvement) and rut jarring, but otherwise great economy and performance in town and out and great storage, including a rear opening boot.
Also, agree with rtfm on the Xevo pros. Mind you, in saying all that, I've just p/exed it for X10 350......

[TmaX9]

You cannot beat Piaggio for value for money, both the bikes themselves and spares prices.
The Burger is a huge lardy thing in comparison to the Xevo although it is a little more stylish.
There is a lot more space on the Burger but who needs it, most of it is wasted. If you take a pillion and they feel they need a backrest, if you fit a top box to also add luggage capacity, it's so far rearwards that there is a 2 foot gap between them and you. Who needs all that legroom as feet forward is generally uncomfortable after an hour or two and promotes a numb bum as well.
Piaggio's have a reputation for poor electrics, but it is really poor assembly lacking a little weather protection on the loom plugs which you can fettle yourself cheaply, learn a little about your bike in the process and bring the electrics up to Japanese standards.
Burgmans have their share of mechanical problems which have affected the 400 models to a greater or lesser extent over the years from rusting exhausts to seized wheel splines and thirst for front wheel bearings and juddering clutches. Generally consensus is that from K7 models most problems have been sorted though.
If you are a DIY'er I'd opt for the Piaggio, but if you have deep pockets and like to give cash to your dealer for over priced and under par spanner work, then go for the Burgman.
Oh and screens are bloody awful on every scooter bar the X9. Even the Tmax is poor so whatever you buy, budget £100 for a decent screen afterwards.

[Data]

I have a personal liking for Piaggio products, but I've actually never riden the Xevo so I can't comment to any real degree on that bike. I didn't have a Piaggio dealer in my home town when I bought my new Burgman. But I've worked with someone who had an Xevo and he loved it. The only downside he felt was the fairly frequent cvt belt changes that it needed and some corrosion in various places on the bike that really shouldn't have been there. Whereas the Burgman (which I do own) only needs a belt every 14,500 miles, and actually I was told by my dealer you can go much further than that if you aren't thrashing it all the time. Also, the Burgman is very very easy to work on (I can confirm that). Again, can't comment on the Xevo regarding that. Both bikes are well fettled, with the Burgman 400's from 2009 being extremely well sorted and having no intrinsic problems. Clutch issues on earlier ones are now sorted and as long as the clutch is regarded as an item to clean out now and again, it'll never give you a moments judder or squeal. Cleaning out the clutch drum and roughening up the clutch pads is a very easy thing to do (see Barry's post recently on here) when you change the final drive oil and is something needed by many cvt's anyway. The Burgman costs more to initially buy, but it's pedigree for peformance, economy, reliability, durability, fit and finish is superb and is the reason people seem to buy them. I know that's why I bought one. That, plus the massive amount of space which makes knee contact with the bars for tall people unheard of (I am very tall). Covering a few hundred miles in a day is a pleasure as you can move around easily on the bike to stay fresh. I carry a lot of stuff on and in the bike so that space gets used. Either bike is good so whatever you decide, if you are indeed wanting to consider one, would be ok I reckon.

Note to SteveM: Steve, why is your redline at 8,000rpm? If it's a K7> it should be either 8500 or 8850rpm. My redline is 8850rpm and I can do 80mph at 7400rpm on the flat, 70mph is 6450rpm on the flat, that's where my engine revs settle at. Mine is standard variator weights etc. Our speedo's might be reading a bit out but yours sounds as if your rollers are in need of a clean as they may be worn or sticking reducing your gear ratio, raising your engine revs, or your belt getting very worn. That might also explain your fuel economy which is a bit heavy for a 400 Burgman even if you wring it's neck all the time. Although if you do lots of town or stop start that would be about right I guess. I get 75-77mpg at 65-70mph. Honest! And at 55-60mph it's always in the 85-86mpg bracket.

[barryG]

Ive owned both, the Xevo for 2 1/2 years and 16000 miles. It was reliable, only needing a light switch under warranty. I never had any corrosion issues at all and servicing was very cheap at around £140 every 6000 miles. Comfort was good, but as mentioned the ride over bumps was shocking. The screen was awful too, and the lumpy engine pulling away from rest a real hindrance. But, for the money and cheap servicing it couldnt be beaten and mpg was outstanding, I once got 100mpg!

The Burgman, its much better made and the ride and pull away from rest are far ahead of the Xevo. The screen too is better by miles. Mpg is down, best Ive had is 80mpg and usually around mid 70s so less than the Xevo. Oil consumption is higher but not an issue. Servicing is much pricier, Ive a 4000 mile one at £160 on which nothing like as much gets done. Also, Ivehad a juddery clutch at 3500 miles and a exhaust baffle plate work loose.

Suming up, Id go for the Burger every time but my next scoot might well be a Piaggio X10 as servicing is much better at 6000 miles. However, Id still reccomend the Xevo for DIY servicing as it is easier and simpler overall.

[loonymoon]

Obviously I'm not impartial here.... I've never ridden a burger.

My XEvo has a cut down GIVI screen (un-cut down it's huge and even tall people struggle to see over it - looking trhough is plain dangerous IMO)... it transforms the bike completely and VASTLY improves comfort - for some reason (looks I think) BarryG never changed the awful original screen on his scoot, though he did add an aerotrim I think.

The only reason I'm thinking of selling the XEVo is because I'm no longer using it. It got used daily for my commute all through the winter for just under 2 years and I had no complaints at all... (BTW it's got heated grips on it also which in conjunction with the screen makes it a good winter hack).


Oh forgot to say, mine also has dr pulley sliders which help the standing start a lot..

[jamie]

i must admit when barry first posted he got 100 mpg i thought he had gone mad lol
but coming back through france earlier this year i got 102 and a mate admittedly a lot smaller and lighter and i was carrying most of the gear actually got 114 granted it was a gentle pace as we were in no rush .

i would say if your riding is mainly motorways/dual carriage ways the burger is a lot smoother ..
but if like us down here in devon most of our riding is twisty country lanes the piaggio is far better you cant half throw it about for a lard arse of a scooter .

and loonys spot on about the doctor pulleys