Sorry Mark, I don't know.horobags wrote:WHEN!!!!!!!!!Bluebottle wrote:Sounds like the UK is only getting getting a few and they will all be black
definatly true, the manual /tiptronic gearbox has no use what so ever for me, but I do love the auto, the way it changes down for you, and the S mode realy does change the engine character.MrGrumpy wrote:I always presumed that the DCT would be more efficient than a CVT as drive is through gears rather than a belt. But maybe the difference isn't that great. Of course DCT is easier to sell to bikers as it isn't 'weird' like a CVT as it has gear changes, and gives you the delusion of being in control. However, as we've seen with the Burger, have a semi-auto system is a gadget that entertains for around 10 seconds when it becomes a chore...irev wrote: it would be interesting to see whether there has been any impact at all on first-time riders and new entrants as a result of DCT.
Other than bragging rights, these complex transmissions seem to offer little benefit over conventional CVT, if the road test comparisons are to be believed. It's not a coincidence BMW, one of the most `technological` of manufacturers eschewed clever gears for a simple CVT on the 600 and 650. As a previous SigFiddy owner, I liked talking about the SECVT, but actually only ever used manual mode two or three times, and the sport mode on a handful of occasions.
I wonder how a low-revving 750 twin motor might work with CVT? Experience in the quad market suggests `rather well` and it's considerably cheaper to manufacturer.
We'll soon know, as BMW will probably announce their (Kymco-manufactured) 400 twin sometime in the next couple of months. As they haven't put a commercial foot wrong in the past decade, (I'm only talking marketing decisions not QA! )if the new 400 has a CVT, then BMW have decided the market doesn't need DCT, nor will it pay for it.
Interesting read, but as always there is a but - and that is 'it depends on the individual's own experience and what they prefer'.horobags wrote:definatly true, the manual /tiptronic gearbox has no use what so ever for me, but I do love the auto, the way it changes down for you, and the S mode realy does change the engine character.MrGrumpy wrote:I always presumed that the DCT would be more efficient than a CVT as drive is through gears rather than a belt. But maybe the difference isn't that great. Of course DCT is easier to sell to bikers as it isn't 'weird' like a CVT as it has gear changes, and gives you the delusion of being in control. However, as we've seen with the Burger, have a semi-auto system is a gadget that entertains for around 10 seconds when it becomes a chore...irev wrote: it would be interesting to see whether there has been any impact at all on first-time riders and new entrants as a result of DCT.
Other than bragging rights, these complex transmissions seem to offer little benefit over conventional CVT, if the road test comparisons are to be believed. It's not a coincidence BMW, one of the most `technological` of manufacturers eschewed clever gears for a simple CVT on the 600 and 650. As a previous SigFiddy owner, I liked talking about the SECVT, but actually only ever used manual mode two or three times, and the sport mode on a handful of occasions.
I wonder how a low-revving 750 twin motor might work with CVT? Experience in the quad market suggests `rather well` and it's considerably cheaper to manufacturer.
We'll soon know, as BMW will probably announce their (Kymco-manufactured) 400 twin sometime in the next couple of months. As they haven't put a commercial foot wrong in the past decade, (I'm only talking marketing decisions not QA! )if the new 400 has a CVT, then BMW have decided the market doesn't need DCT, nor will it pay for it.
I think when you start riding in a 'sporty frame of mind' you'll soon find yourself using manual over ride to change gear to effect more engine braking on approach to a corner or a roundabout....horobags wrote:To be fair ive been running in, now 550 miles, so D mode, and occasionally S mode for overtaking have fitted the bill, and been a satisfying ride after many cvt scoots. So I havn't really needed to explore the manual mode, ill give it a go when more spirited riding is on the menu, but up to now, ive not seen the need for it.
It's good fun...What you need is a test ride on a variety of roads to give yourself an idea if you'd like it or not. DCT isn't for everyone, but the people who do have a DCT machine seem to like them..MrGrumpy wrote:I do quite like the idea of a DCT transmission, though I do wonder if in reality I would really find it offers any practical benefit. On the Burger, the Power/Drive choice was quite useful, though not that often, but I found using the semi-auto option just too tedious, even though the change via the buttons was quick & easy. I don't actually think the Burger engine suited manual changes, as like many CV engined scoots, the actually power band the scoot works in is quite narrow and there was no power low down, so you were forever changing down for the slightest bend to keep the engine where it was happy.
