I haven't heard this one before.

[Andym]

The solution to speed limiter racing is automation.

We make HGV drivers jump through many hoops (I just handed my license back as I never used it once track testing became impossible in the UK). We pay them little, give them awful facilities and make them work stupid hours with insane responsibilities . There is a massive shortage as a result. One of the few perks many get is going home (unpaid) if they don't have enough hours left for another trip. This encourages the one with new tyres that can get 53 to pass the one with worn tyres that hits the limiter at 51. Then there are the Irish ones with the limiters set to 62 by basically ignoring the EU standards and owner operators who'll clutch surf to get home 12 seconds sooner.

The fleet owners would love them all in convoy at whatever speed, using the minimum fuel. Only a robot has no other priority (and won't sleep or watch porn while doing it).

The technology exists so we will now wait 10+ years for the lawyers to catch up.

Andy

[MrGrumpy]

I always wonder why the one being overtaken doesn't have the courtesy to lift off (or I guess these days reduce the cruise control) for a few seconds to let the overtaking one come past. It would cost them absolutely nothing and help traffic flow.

[Andym]

Cruise control is pretty rare, the owners are tighter than a ducks @r$e and even though it's a freebie with AEB the manufacturers continue to charge for it.

If you back off a hundred times a day the difference starts to emerge. They also try to maintain momentum because the fleet who runs a 200 HP Iveco on a job suited to a 500 HP Scania will be the one paying a bonus for the driver who uses least Diesel and/or sacking the one who doesn't stay on the telematics trackers pace.

What's the incentive for improving the traffic flow behind them?

Andy

[knight2]

Andy I've got to agree when it comes to cyclist Ithink they,ve created a lot of grief for themselves, literally. The arrogance of some of them borders on suicidal.
P.S. I coould extend this rant a lot longer but it dosen't do my heart rate any good

Perhaps there should be cyclist ranting page where we can all have a vent? I nearly got one a few years ago cos he decided that it was quicker to go round a roundabout the wrong way....

The issue with riding a bicycle several thousand miles a year is that you face potential danger every ride because people that ride bicycles are dehumanised to the point where everyone jokes about it.

When language like, "created a lot of grief for themselves," and "Cyclists have created their own image problem, so no sympathy here" it encourages people to think of people on bikes as fair game, and deserving of mistreatment, not the vulnerable road users that they are. It trivialises putting people, human beings, in danger.

A person riding a bicycle is a human being, someone's child, perhaps someone's parent.

Maybe we need to think a little more about what we are writing.

REALLY, Do you know any one who has been in a no fault fatal accident. When walking across the yard back to my truck a driver, and a friend, walked up to me and told me " I've just killed a woman" and then broke down in tears. It turns out he was driving in a built up area when a woman fell under the wheels of his loaded trailer, despite the best attempts of paramedics he watched as she died at the scene. I don't know if he ever got over it.
I could tell you other similar stories, one of them did include a cyclist who refused to use a cycle lane and paid for it dearly, another no fault accident for the driver to cope with. So if I don't show any sympathy for arrogant idiots who put thier lives in danger don't be too surprised.

[knight2]

Andy, spot on both posts. I worked for one firm for most of my driving time as a day driver and they always tried thier best to make sure you got back well within your time, but trucking being trucking things often went pear shaped but they always made sure I got home at night.

[capitano]

REALLY, Do you know any one who has been in a no fault fatal accident.

Yes, me.

Though, I fail to see the relevance here.

[knight2]

Then I'm sorry to hear that and I hope it didn't affect you as it does others.
The revelance is you said "we should think more about what we write" because cyclist are human beings, well so are the people who have to deal with the results of thier actions. Before It's mentioned motorcyclist, car drivers and definetly HGV drivers do stupid things. but in over 12 years of HGv driving cyclist were far and away the most self righteous bunch who thought they were in the right every time and every body else should make way for them. Yes they were some carefull ones but most weren't.

[capitano]

Then I'm sorry to hear that and I hope it didn't affect you as it does others.
The revelance is you said "we should think more about what we write" because cyclist are human beings, well so are the people who have to deal with the results of thier actions. Before It's mentioned motorcyclist, car drivers and definetly HGV drivers do stupid things. but in over 12 years of HGv driving cyclist were far and away the most self righteous bunch who thought they were in the right every time and every body else should make way for them. Yes they were some carefull ones but most weren't.

If you can’t see what is wrong with your arguments, and your language, then I really don’t think it’s worth continuing.

[knight2]

Agreed

[capitano]

Agreed

… and that’s why some of us prefer old school forums to the likes of X and Facebook