Funkycowie wrote:Yamaha already have the auto switching on of lighting, which I think is great, hate hate Piaggio's approach of always on when ignition on can lead to difficulty starting.

What makes you think Piaggio do not have it? All their larger bikes the headlight is on a relay which switches on after the engine is running.

It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance shown about piaggio on this forum.

irev wrote:... so the light legislation is founded on nothing but falsehood.

The mandatory light rule does not aim against the (vanishing minority) of British riders or manufacturers.
But in southern countries you will find innummerable road users, who never switch their lights on, not even in the night. That also applies to cars and trucks!

Same thinking with ABS. Perfectly trained British riders will stay perfect even with ABS bikes.
But innumerable southern riders (who don't need any motorcycle license even for 125cc) only think of themselves to be Dottore Rossi.

Force global players like Honda to provide a little bit automatic safety and save thousands of lifes.

Ferrit wrote:

Funkycowie wrote:Yamaha already have the auto switching on of lighting, which I think is great, hate hate Piaggio's approach of always on when ignition on can lead to difficulty starting.

What makes you think Piaggio do not have it? All their larger bikes the headlight is on a relay which switches on after the engine is running.

It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance shown about piaggio on this forum.

I guess I was just going from my experience of my Nexus which is old and other peoples Piaggio bikes which were... old... so yes I am ignorant of their current tech.

Ferrit wrote:

Funkycowie wrote:Yamaha already have the auto switching on of lighting, which I think is great, hate hate Piaggio's approach of always on when ignition on can lead to difficulty starting.

What makes you think Piaggio do not have it? All their larger bikes the headlight is on a relay which switches on after the engine is running.

It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance shown about piaggio on this forum.

My Xevo switches the lights on before the engine is on, when the key is turned to ignition. Is the MP3 different then?

rtfm wrote:My Xevo switches the lights on before the engine is on, when the key is turned to ignition. Is the MP3 different then?

At least the MP3 250 LT from 2009 is different.

My 2008 SYM Citycom lights come on after I've slid a switch on the right handlebar from right to left. This I always do after starting the engine. Oddly this switch also turns the lights off if I slide it from left to right. This I do before turning the key off in the ignition. Crazy - I know - but I cope.

irev wrote:Those EU dicks want to decide what is safe? Why is it safe to have compulsory lighting when riding past skittish animals as we do every day in the New Forest? Why is it safe when every vehicle has its lights on, so making it impossible to discern the motorcycle against the clutter of Volvos and those dickwad LED-bedazzled Audis?

Surely the safe alternative is to retain choice, yet persuade through education, training and proven research that `on` is better. 100% of the time. If they can't prove that then why do they even bother to claim consultation when what we have here is imposition. There can never be a 100% case made for safety, so the light legislation is founded on nothing but falsehood.

Consequently, my research, through consultation with a number of organisations that didn't answer the phone when I called, and a man in a pub called Brian, is that the greatest benefit to the millions of people across Europe for whom biking is a way of life is to take fuckwits like Wim and retards like Malcolm out into the fields, and set fire to them.

Discuss.

This EU framework regulation - for motorcycles and scooters - is to regulate emissions and the safety of motorcycles. The regulations on emissions will almost certainly include stringent anti-tampering measures. Anti-tampering measures cover the motorcycle power train i.e. engine, transmits drive shaft / belt drive / chain drive, differentials, the final drive, the driven wheel tyre (radius) and of course the exhaust system. Not forgetting on-board diagnostic systems, access to repair and maintenance information and pan European standards for MoT type tests. In short legislation that will deny bikers the traditional right to fettle.

We must consider ourselves lucky that they are doing this for our benefit. Why do we ride scooters/motorbikes? Would the ruling class / power elite / MEP's / MP's risk their own lives travelling in such a dangerous manner? More so when all their living & travel costs are can be claimed back on expenses?

One billion seconds ago it was 1980 - and the EU costs UK tax payers £65 Billion every year...

Bargain?

Discuss.

Piaggio X10 headlights only come on once the engine starts.

halfabusa wrote:The light comes on as soon as the ignition is turned on for my burgman L0 and not after the engine starts. So is this new feature going to bring that function where the lights only go on after engine starting?

Data, by interlock switch, do you mean the lights go off momentarily as we press the starter button? Is that easy to see (i.e. night time against a wall when starting up, would i see them go off as i press the starter?)

I didnt take notice on that function but i'm pretty sure the dashboard lights dont go out as i press the starter. There might be a separate logic for the headlights tho. I'll need to test it against a surface at night time to see.

Hello halfabusa, yes on your Burgman you have the ignition interlock switch that cuts the lights out as you push the starter button. Dash lights stay on. This saves unnecessary battery drain and aids starting if your battery is low. AHO (automatic headlights on) has been about for years on most bikes, so none of that side of the legislation affects any of us. As has been said, the abs rules won't have any negative affect on anyone either as more and more of us already have it (and in my case had my butt saved by it). It doesn't make you less of a rider. As I understand it from my last briefing on all this EVERY country has to sign up to this legislation in a bid to move the community forward. It's aimed mostly at the eastern and new countries that have joined europe. They may be given just a tad more time to comply though. Having been involved in an engineering bike project has meant the organisation I have been working for has had very strict guidelines to work towards regarding all sorts of things relating to the new regs. It's really all been about common sense stuff though and there isn't actually anything anyone needs to be worried about. Even the new MOT's are just common sense improvements and will ultimately aid in us all getting better bikes from the manufacturers. As usual, the sensationalising by the press has been out of all proportion and scaremongering is alive and well. Just ride your bikes and be happy is my advice, better bikes are on the way!

Edit: no news yet as to whether 'Thick Wind' (leakproof wind in your tyres) will be compulsory! I own all the rights to 'Thick Wind' so I'm hopeful. If it becomes law, the only issue I'll have is producing enough wind!!

anonstarter wrote:This EU framework regulation - for motorcycles and scooters - is to regulate emissions and the safety of motorcycles. The regulations on emissions will almost certainly include stringent anti-tampering measures. Anti-tampering measures cover the motorcycle power train i.e. engine, transmits drive shaft / belt drive / chain drive, differentials, the final drive, the driven wheel tyre (radius) and of course the exhaust system. Not forgetting on-board diagnostic systems, access to repair and maintenance information and pan European standards for MoT type tests. In short legislation that will deny bikers the traditional right to fettle.

Well at least one part of your speculation can be laid to rest.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... -measures/

Bluebottle - love the fax transmitter thing!

Seriously though I think I read something somewhere about compulsory high-visibility clothing ie a vest like you see council workers etc wear. What will be next?