I still don't like/won't touch diesel.

Of more interest to me is that I've not heard anything more about the Fuel Cell Burgman project that's also being developed in the UK. I know there was a running prototype about 18months ago and I offered to give it a long term test. The person I spoke to muttered something about it being worth £1m and "no bloody chance" so my offer came to nothing. I suspect that the project going quiet means big things are afoot.

I think this concept has potential. Less than 15bhp so accessible to Learner riders, yet a lot more torque, so more performance, than even mid range scoots! I'm sure they'd ban it before long though...

There is a 800cc Diesel Smart Car engined Trail type bike available (with CVT) as some outrageous cost - that it supposed to be quite good.

And after all, a high torque low power engine is just an exaggeration of what Honda have been doing with the N700 series!

Big torque/low power..... who would have thunk that Harley was the future....

gn2 wrote:Big torque/low power..... who would have thunk that Harley was the future....

That is a deeply disturbing thought....

Anyway, didn't Mr Data or someone say on here that the future actually belong to a new generation of hi-tech petrol engines that were going to make diesels seem thirsty??

There is a 800cc Diesel Smart Car engined Trail type bike available (with CVT) as some outrageous cost - that it supposed to be quite good.

Sat on one at the NEC Bike show a couple of years ago.
It was sooo heavy lifting it off the side stand, very top heavy.
I have owned bikes upto a Triumph Rocket and have never felt a bike feel as heavy as that Diesel bike.
I still think there is room for a Modern Diesel engine fitted into a Maxi Scooter

Andy

Don't really care if an engine is diesel or petrol so long as its simple and uncomplex, economical, has minimal servicing requirement, completely reliable and cheap to buy.

gn2 wrote:Don't really care if an engine is diesel or petrol so long as its simple and uncomplex, economical, has minimal servicing requirement, completely reliable and cheap to buy.

Hmmm So basically there's nothing on the market currently that meets your requirements!

add... and cheap to run and you've pretty much defined the modern diesel motor.

There is a reason that diesels are ubiquitous in large transport vehicles, y'know - relative simplicity, long-term reliability, etc.

The problem is that motorcycles are weekend transport, and current scooters are designed mostly by people who are failed motorcycle designers, and think we want a product that is as close to motorcycles as we can get, when what we need is as close to cars as it is possible to deliver, with the added benefit s of single-track transport.

MrGrumpy wrote:

gn2 wrote:Don't really care if an engine is diesel or petrol so long as its simple and uncomplex, economical, has minimal servicing requirement, completely reliable and cheap to buy.

Hmmm So basically there's nothing on the market currently that meets your requirements!

The Honda Forza I ride to work five days a week is close enough, or at least I hope it will prove to be.