yellowMax wrote:So that's it then. Honda have a lot of excellent engine/drivetrains, but haven't yet managed to offer them in the correct vehicle?

Am I right?

Errrm Yes...I think you've expressed it quite well. I'd forgotten about the need for a S.wing 300. Doesn't say much for Honda's product planning does it? Piaggio (whatever else you might say about them) are brilliant at getting every penny of out their R&D effort by using every combination of drive train in every scooter!

MrGrumpy wrote: ... Piaggio (whatever else you might say about them) are brilliant at getting every penny of out their R&D effort by using every combination of drive train in every scooter!

Except for the 850cc motor which they've done nothing with. Where's my Xevo 800?

rtfm wrote:

MrGrumpy wrote: ... Piaggio (whatever else you might say about them) are brilliant at getting every penny of out their R&D effort by using every combination of drive train in every scooter!

Except for the 850cc motor which they've done nothing with. (

There is such a thing as the Aprilia SRV, formerly Gilera GP800...there again, something more practical than those wouldn't go amiss.

MrGrumpy wrote:I'd forgotten about the need for a S.wing 300. Doesn't say much for Honda's product planning does it?

Honda already make the excellent Faze 250cc scooter, they just don't sell it in Europe.