A problem 10 months on...Oh...and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[VOZZA]

bigk I found the T-Max OK in the straight ahead position but had to turn my knee out on sharp slow turns to miss the bars, legroom seemed OK though but a bit thirsty depending how you ride it. I had the same problem on the Majesty. From memory the knee room on the Burger was OK just that the seat was on the low side, thinking back I should have given it more of a chance as I could have got used to that.

[kayz1]

Yo Vozza,,Greetings of the season and happy new year to you Sir, hows things?
I see you too have gone the gay Honda way what do you think of the X dct?
I have the d type ugly scoot and wossa i think went for the S type.
Regards. Lyn.

[horobags]

the burgman are an exellent machine data, I also couldnt fault mine, and I had it a few months, but as you know there are a few muppets who have had problems, but like a friend says, ( who's a mechanic), you only here about the ones with nightmares, the ones that do thousands of trouble free miles , no one complains about. 110,000 miles on a gt500, you lucky git, I used to love them, although I had a few kawasaki triples myself, I love 2-strokes. BigK, the burgman is better on fuel than a t-max being a 400 single, I was getting around 60 plus mpg, the t-max is a 500 twin , more thirsty, my mk1 didnt get anyway near 60mpg.
Happy new year to all muppets.

[Data]

Glad your enjoying the Burger Data. That's as good an ad as Suzuki could expect, a bike that does everything needed well. BTW how tall are you? I tried a Burger 400 a while back and didn't give it a fair chance because I found the seat height a bit low for me at 6'3", I'm sure I could have got used to it though because otherwise it was hard to fault. I could be considering one in the future as I get more creaky.

Hi Vozza, yep the legroom on the Burgman 400 is good. I'm 6'2" with very long legs like an alien (no not really!! but the legs are long at 33" plus a bit inside seam). But, the seat is low and it's incredibly comfortable I find. Plenty of space to move around onboard as you ride on those long trips where you don't want to come off the motorway to make a stretch stop. I came directly from the Suzi DL1000GT model which had a 840mm seat height or something like that, to the Burgman 400z's 710mm. It does feel different to start with but you quickly adapt and it feels completely normal to me now. I don't have any problems with that. Rather, it's an advantage once you get used to it. Seeing over traffic becomes seeing through traffic or around it. Easy once you train yourself. The very low centre of gravity allows all sorts of manouvers at low speed (virtually zero speed) and you hardly ever need to put your feet down. In addition, I'm now at the stage where I can balance for several seconds at a complete standstill when at the lights without touching down. Well...it passes the time eh!! Incidentally, I already have a buddy (thinly valed attempt to make you think I have friends!!) who rides a 2010 400 Burger and he is 6'5" and wide as a doorway and is completely comfortable with seat and leg room. He came from a Suzuki Bandit 650. Like me he does have the rider backrest on his Burgman pushed right the way back so he can stretch right out and he doesn't look like a freak riding it either. The Burgman will accomodate most sizes, it really will! I tend to ride in the feet forward position most of the time. If by some very small chance you cannot fit comfortably on a Burgman 400, may I suggest having your legs surgically shortened. It would be well worth it as the money you save in petrol could eventually pay for the surgery!

[Data]

the burgman are an exellent machine data, I also couldnt fault mine, and I had it a few months, but as you know there are a few muppets who have had problems, but like a friend says, ( who's a mechanic), you only here about the ones with nightmares, the ones that do thousands of trouble free miles , no one complains about. 110,000 miles on a gt500, you lucky git, I used to love them, although I had a few kawasaki triples myself, I love 2-strokes. BigK, the burgman is better on fuel than a t-max being a 400 single, I was getting around 60 plus mpg, the t-max is a 500 twin , more thirsty, my mk1 didnt get anyway near 60mpg.
Happy new year to all muppets.

I echo the Happy New Year bit to everyone. I loved the Kawa triples and was lucky enough to nearly kill myself on the 750 version at Brands Hatch. That was one of the biggest kick in the pants I've ever had. What an experience! Just love the smell of two stroke in the air in the mornings!!

Yes, the Burgman is a good machine. No one need worry about it's reliability, only whether you like it or not, and will it serve your needs? Before I bought one I went to some lengths to establish it's credentials in terms of reliability, any problems they suffer from, riding performance etc etc. I spoke to an owner who had owned one for several years and who had put some 60k miles on a 2008 version, she was quite upfront about it and simply told me..."buy one. They don't go wrong"! Having read some considerable amount of info on them, I believed her. Up until buying one, I had not had any experience of scooters other than a quick ride on a geared Vespa some years earlier and a quick spin on the 650 Burger version. I visited several dealers franchised and non franchised and spoke with techs, sales, and everyone said the same...It's bullet proof, and it's been in continuous production for almost 15 years so it's well sorted! The clutch issue that some have is not really a fault I gather. If it's going to happen it usually happens early in it's life before the 4k service, or on other older bikes that are not serviced correctly. What seems to happen is a new bike gets run in often by someone new to the bigger engined Burger, but they often slip the clutch too much in the early weeks of ownership not being too sure about how much throttle to give it when moving off etc etc and going generally too easy with it. This glazes the clutch friction material very quickly and makes lots of dust. The two elements combined cause the judder as the miles build up. The cure is simple and if done properly it won't return for around 8k miles I'm told and never if serviced ontime.The problem comes when some owners do the job themselves without knowing how to 'De-glaze' the clutch shoes and they do an insufficient job causing the problem to return soon after. It's no good just rubbing them lightly with a bit of emery paper. Many Suzuki dealers automatically remove the clutch and glaze bust and dust out every 7.5k to prevent the problem. This is about 30 mins work to a tech. Of course, any CVT can suffer this judder. It doesn't normally get a chance to develop on most bikes though as the belt and rollers are replaced and the clutch gets dusted out every 6k or so on many. The Vespa GTS for example is a fine scooter but I rode one recently before it had it's service. It juddered but the owner had barely noticed it due to the small size of the clutch and high revving engine and quick take up of the drive. However, after service during which it had a belt and rollers and clutch cleaned up, he commented how smooth it was again. So preventive maintenance is the order of the day as is so often the case for most things.

My GT500A was a good un...but it did cost me loads of dosh. Two crankshafts, prebuilt of course with conrods, bearing etc aren't cheap. To put that in perspective. My Burgman engine should have a minimum life expectancy of 130,000 miles if serviced correctly (there are examples of the early version having done more than that without major work) and probably more without the need for any major work. When it does need work, it won't actually cost anywhere near as much to fix as the GT500 even at todays prices. Mind you I will do the work myself if it ever becomes neccessary. It's such a simple engine.