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Re: Should I buy a new Burgman 650 Executive
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:56 pm
by toriaoxford
Yup
Re: Should I buy a new Burgman 650 Executive
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:01 pm
by spaceprobe
I tried one and I liked it and was very tempted but the reason I had moved away from big bikes was because of the weight etc (my last long trip on the Vulcan wreaked my back, bum and shoulders). The Burger is very heavy and lardy and was just too much for this old boy so I went with the 600 Max. It gives me the joy of a bigger engine with lighter weight and handling issues, but I do agree the 650 Burg is a nice bit of kit just not for me.
Re: Should I buy a new Burgman 650 Executive
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:06 pm
by gn2
Strange, the options on mine are km/litre, litre/100km and mpg.
Maybe yours is newer and they've changed it.
If it is definitely miles per litre that's also quite simple to use effectively.
The tank is 11.6 litres, so brim the tank and zero trip A to reset the ecometer then ride till trip A is ten times the ecometer at which point you have the ecometer left plus a reserve of 0.6 litres.
e.g. ecometer shows 16 miles per litre, trip A shows 160 miles, you still have 16 miles left.
Re: Should I buy a new Burgman 650 Executive
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:49 pm
by toriaoxford
Hi GN2 - checked my bike this morning and it DOES read MPG, doh, what a dumb blonde I am!!! Thanks for all the input re the fuel gauge - I really do appreciate it, though not sure I understand your calculations but that's my ignorance, NOT your explanation. In a nutshell, my understanding is that as the tank holds 2.5 gallons and my MPG 'log' is currently reading 70.9mpg, I should therefore, in theory, have 177.25 miles worth of fuel, i.e. 2.5 x 70.9 mpg? If that's the case, then my fuel gauge, as you say, is WAY off the mark and Honda should do something about it! However, it is not just the fuel economy that I'm bothered by - it's the lack of grunt, hence considering the 650 again (I had one 2 years ago [NOT the current 2013 iteration], loved it but too heavy and cumbersome - I know that the revised version is lighter, less drag, more fuel efficient (15% I think) and smoother gear changes) but still can't decide, hence CONSIDERING the 400Z Burgie. I think it's a similar overall size but a LITTLE lighter than the 650 and I suspect a LITTLE cheaper to run overall. However, as I think you (or another kind poster said), the 650 would be far more expensive to service/greater depreciation etc.. than my current Forza, though I've had one before so I'm aware of the cost implications and I generally don't keep bikes for longer than their warranty period. When I sold my previous Burgie (it wasn't very old), I lost 3k on it - ouch, that was painful!!! I think this will be my last 'chance' at having a bigger bike as I get older and more pathetic and feeble and incapable of getting on the darn thing!!! Thanks so much again, I really do appreciate all your input.
Best wishes to you all and ride safe everyone (oh, and get yourself a GoPro Hero 4 Silver - they're fab and great at, I think, helping improving your riding, good for insurance purposes, heaven forbid something should happen and I THINK it makes other drivers a little more cautious then they see the camera - I have it mounted on a GoPro chesty - the best place in my view!!!
Re: Should I buy a new Burgman 650 Executive
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:45 pm
by gn2
When you zero trip A it resets the fuel computer, this means you get an accurate reading on which to make a reliable calculation of fuel range.
The fuel gauge is only there for decoration, to balance the look of the dash.
Providing you reset trip A when you brim the tank full:
When the trip A odo reads the same as the ecometer you have used one gallon.
When the trip A odo reads double the ecometer, you have used two gallons and have half a gallon left.
Some examples
eco 86, odo 172, miles remaining 43
eco 80, odo 160, miles remaining 40
eco 72, odo 144, miles remaining 36
Regarding the weight of the new 650, it weighs 278kg, which is 80kg more than your Forza.
Ask Andy Murray to stand on your bathroom scales to get an idea of how much 80kg is.
Re: Should I buy a new Burgman 650 Executive
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:06 pm
by toriaoxford
Thanks for that gn2 - so, essentially what I said, set trip A to zero in fill up/brimming, review eco figure at that point, times that eco figure by 2.5 and I should get a rough estimation of miles back to zero - I think I'll stick with my method but thanks SO MUCH for all your input!
In terms of Burgy weight, as I said, I've had one before and could handle it both pushing and on the go so as the new one is lighter, should be fine but still undecided - I think I need to test-ride the new version to finally make up my mind!
Re: Should I buy a new Burgman 650 Executive
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:23 pm
by gn2
When you zero trip A the ecometer is also zeroed.
I don't think the new 650 is lighter, the weight on Suzukis website is 278kg, I don't think the old one was as heavy as that.
Re: Should I buy a new Burgman 650 Executive
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:52 pm
by toriaoxford
thanks gn2, so the new Burgie 650 IS lighter than the old!! If the old one wasn't 'as heavy as that' to quote you, it stands to reason that the new one has to be lighter at 278kg!! Best

Re: Should I buy a new Burgman 650 Executive
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:14 pm
by Gerard C
Just to put forward some experience of both old and new designs also I have a 02 non executive 650.
There is little doubt that the new model is lighter, feels lighter and is easier to move around than the older model. Having said that it was never a problem for me. Something has been redesigned in the drive train as it is also much easier to move backwards even if the motor is off. As far as I am concerned it is not and never has been a problem. If you're a smaller person well it might be, on the other hand maybe a smaller person would not generally go for such a bike. Strangely though I find the 02 Non executive model feels much lighter to move around than the new model so go figure that out.
All the above is in regards to moving the bike around when parking or similar. When riding the weight just rolls off. I do a lot of filtering and that's with panniers. I am never held up although if I was going through stationary traffic obviously a slimmer bike helps. I don't generally get down to a 1cm clearance though, I do take care that a gap exists.
All three bike models are manoeuvrable enough to do this. The Boy Wonder on a 400 goes through the same gaps. And if I have a ride on the 250 Burgman, the slimmest of the fleet, it makes no real difference to progress.
Where the 650 comes into its own is when the traffic thins a little. Open it up then and the power delivery comes in. Like a turbine the acceleration is superb. It cruises along at very illegal levels with no fuss at all. It corners well. It responds to counter steering pressure as it should and tracks around bends like its on rails. Many a Biker has been lets say "surprised" at the ability to be with them after they decided to "bag the scooter".
Would I buy another? Watch this space. Why because the Twin cylinders give the smoothness I like. The handling is perfect for what I do - Town riding, intense filtering, Motorway blasting, Long distance touring, Sight seeing in comfort with the Mrs on the back. When another bike offers me all that I will consider it be it Sym, Yamaha or whatever.
Just my opinions based on my experience of course. My Mechanic simply says Suzuki have got it right - and he is not exactly pro Scooter.
Re: Should I buy a new Burgman 650 Executive
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:31 pm
by Data
Good summing up of the Burgy 650 Gerard.