Forza is built in Thailand.
The S-wing is built in Spain and if you ask nicely you'll not need to pay the full list price.
AFAIK the S-wing remains the only 125 with ABS in the UK, that alone justifies a premium over the competition, which is similarly priced. Xmax £3900 Joymax £3650

The S-Wing is old school Honda quality, different league altogether

Designed and built in Europe for Europe, never been available in Japan.
Bulletproof and luxurious, built to the standards of bigger bikes. Capable of high mileages (partly because the big end is way over engineered for a 125). Fast enough to take on the motorway.

Quality costs

dont go getting me going on s-wings again...

Bluebottle wrote:The S-Wing is old school Honda quality, different league altogether

But I've never been that impressed with build quality of Spanish built bikes. The Spanish built Tmaxs aren't built as well as the older Japanese ones, people were always complaining about the build quality of Deauvilles (or were they built in Italy?) and my baby Burger has hardly impressed me with the reliability of Spanish build bikes or Suzukis.....and my Honda SH300 (Italian?) was by no means trouble free (new wiring loom needed.....)

horobags wrote:dont go getting me going on s-wings again...

Get you going?
Me and the two sigfiddys could hardly keep up with your S-Wing going to Wales
You were definately going


S-Wings are really solid Mr G, can't think of anything to fault it on and possibly the comfiest seat of any bike. If I was doing fewer high speed miles I'd get another tomorrow.

A question answered, the Forza has shims for the valve clearance adjustment.

gn2 wrote:A question answered, the Forza has shims for the valve clearance adjustment.

For us less who are less technical, is that good or bad? And how often do they need checking /adjusting?

@Mr Grumpy. I'm no expert but most modern engines use bucket and shims. They very rarely need adjustment and when they are worn past their tolerance then they need replacing. The old tappet adjuster style technically are easier to adjust.

According to the Forza maintenance schedule they only need checking every 16,000 mile.

No doubt gn2 will chip in.

I have some images that may help.

Does this really only need a service every 8,000 miles? That's pretty good.

StephenC wrote:Does this really only need a service every 8,000 miles? That's pretty good.

Yes, one of the major improvements by Honda, a good plus selling point.