2013 Honda NSS300 Forza

[MrGrumpy]

Me too, so long as it does something genuinely useful.

No...surely that spoils it!!

[gn2]

You would get on fine with my wife, she has all manner of redundant gadgets which once upon a time were deemed to be simply essential purchases

[jamie]

after a test ride yesterday and a real good nosey round .. I can only say it is what it is .. built to a budget .. poor lights .. it looks a cheapish build quality .. at best a good budget commuter.
only my opinion but I wouldn't part with cash for one

[gn2]

Definitely built to a budget but far and away the best 300 available imo.

[bornagainbiker]

I test rode the Forza on Saturday. Nothing special really. I'm only 5' 6" and could not stretch my legs out fully forward like the Burgman 400. Due to the seat not opening fully, putting the helmet into the forward storage position is slightly awkward having to bend down head fist under the seat. No under seat light, but in reality not required and eliminates the left-on mishap. The seat is deep and very comfortable with the large backrest supporting the lower back. The pillion footrests are large but very flimsy on the hinge. The screen is woefully inadequate, buffering started at only 45-50 mph and the top centre edge had what looked like a 2" Stanley knife cut for whatever reason? Before my short 10 mile ride, the bike had done 77 mile by the company owner and the computer showed 82 mpg. If you need to regularly travel on 60-70 mph dual carriageways and occasionally go two up then go for this as a seriously good commuter and for the weekend outings but if you already have or can get a good cheaper pre owned S-Wing 125 then I would stick with that. However if you have the required A or A2 license and are thinking of buying a brand new S-Wing (£3949) then buy the Forza (£4499) as the price difference is only £550. I could also probably see lots of current PCX 125 owners upgrading that were needing the extra power, storage and higher mileage service interval with no valve checking until 16,000 mile as opposed to every 2500 mile with the PCX. Due to it's competitive price bracket, It's definitely going to get lots of attention, especially as the mainstream Suzuki Burgman 400 is £5515, their ABS version with some extras is £6399 and the Piaggio x10 now at £5291. You could go Sym or Kymco 300 but it's finding a good dealer near where you live but even their non ABS prices are £4000+ where the Forza has ABS.

[jamie]

Definitely built to a budget but far and away the best 300 available imo.

cant agree its way behind the downtown and sym joymax in terms of quality and its more expensive than both .. imho

[gn2]

Well we'll see what the sales figures say.
Would it be a surprise if the Forza surpasses the total number of Sym GTS 250/300s and Downtowns ever sold in the UK before Christmas?
No.
Neither the Joymax or Downtown have 8000 kilometre service intervals never mind miles, nor do they have ABS or a fuel computer or an mph speedo.
Don't get me wrong, they are good scoots, but just not in the same league as the Forza.
Also, the Forza's best bits are not on view in the showroom.

[wozza]

We'll it's pretty obvious that Forza sales will quickly outstrip that of SYM and KYMCO as most non scooterists probably haven't even heard of SYM/Kymco anyway. That together with the number of Honda dealers make it a dead cert.
You've already stated yourself sales aren't a measure of a machine's quality. I can understand long service intervals being important and a proper MPH speedo ( a kmh speedo isn't really acceptable, but an easy fix with a digital speedo). However, a fuel computer is pretty irrelevant, and from what I can gather they seem to be fairly inaccurate on bikes anyway ( though I don't know why).
I wouldn't say that the Honda is a better quality machine though I do quite like it and the ABS....

[gn2]

The Downtown has an mph speedo in the USA so why not here?
Both have ABS elsewhere so why not here?
My opinion remains that the Forza is the pick of the bunch.
Other opinions are available...

EDIT: the ABS Joymax 300 is £3815 in Italy, non-ABS version £4300 here, rip-off Britain strikes again.

[wozza]

The Downtown has an mph speedo in the USA so why not here?
Both have ABS elsewhere so why not here?
My opinion remains that the Forza is the pick of the bunch.
Other opinions are available...

EDIT: the ABS Joymax 300 is £3815 in Italy, non-ABS version £4300 here, rip-off Britain strikes again.

I agree with you 100% there GN....