I think that's the point, and I am an ogri! You rarely ever have to strip a modern engine these days. Progress means we get, amongst other things, superlative reliability compared to yesteryear when you HAD to get your hands dirty. I've no doubt the Honda 700 with or without dct with be just superbly reliable year after year and very very useable just like almost every other Honda that's ever been sold.

Guess I just want turbine smoothness along with the reliability.

And don't forget its the Mals of this world who keep people (mechanics) in jobs. It helps to make the world go round.

gn2 wrote:Guess I just want turbine smoothness along with the reliability.

you can , but it will cost 3 grand more and 25mpg less, crossrunner 800.

Wasn't Mal the one who thought he knew about mechanics but didn't? came up with daft ideas all the time? kind of a half-wit who thought he was another Ogri?
I wouldn't say that describes you Wozza

Well I'm definitely not an Ogri, nor Mal....lol a bit of an inbetweeny really.... I've done a little bit of motorcycle refurbishment though I wouldn't dream of stripping an engine apart, though I have done a certain amount of work on engines....only basic stuff mind.

gn2 wrote:The machine in question had less than 300 miles on the clock when I rode it.
It wasn't just the vibration, it was the noise and proper running in won't eliminate that.
I just couldn't live with the agricultural feel/sound of the thing.
What could have been an excellent machine has been hobbled by pandering to conservatives.
If it had no vibration whatsoever plus a big comfortable seat and shaft drive would it have been a sales flop?
I seriously doubt it.

Yes, I know what you mean. But to extend what I mention earlier in a previous post. My bro in law bought the new 800 Tiger about 18 months ago. It's a great bike. Like all Triumphs that he's had from brand new it sounded like a very loud bag of nails when idling and when ridding at low revs. Many Triumph owners have complained about the mechanical symphony after taking delivery of a new bike quite often. But again, as the miles go on the clock the engine just gets quieter and quieter, smoother and smoother as everything just beds in and smooths out. It's almost unbelievable how much difference there is with those 3 pot engines between when it's new and what the engine sounds like and indeed goes like after even just 1000 miles. They are considerably quieter mechanically and the exhaust note also changes to a softer tone too. That's quite normal to an extent for all engines. So I wouldn't judge a motor with 300 miles on the clock. Try one again with over 1000 miles on it and you will see a big difference. Even my new GSX1400 was rough until run in and noisey with it.

As usuall the glass is half full or half empty, but still Honda remain half-arsed

Call this storage?


As with the Dunno One, the only way to carry more than a sandwich is with external luggage



The the tall screen is non-adjustable and it's got the poxiest 3.17 gallon tank (US or 12 litres, or 2.64 proper gallons) so they've pissed the `lightweight tourer` right up the wall, just as they've done with the Integra. Even at 80-per, you ain't going to go more than 150 miles before hunting down a petrol station.

I really am struggling to see what this is all about. But it is supposed to be the first call on a long road of different engined models from the same concept, so here's hoping Honda can remember what makes a decent tourer and fix it, then understand the benefit of a decent volume of onboard storage. mounted low, between the wheels.

A built-in storage area the size of todays Maxi underseat storage over the top of the laid-down engine and a 4.5 gallon tank with adjustable screen, add some leg protection and then we're talking...

...about a maxi-scooter designed right.

Yep that tank storage is niegh on useless - what a pity they've done that. The NC700x tank is about slightly bigger though I can't remember exactly. (I'm doing this on my phone so I can't check). I think the normal NC gets around 225miles on a tank.

Bluebottle wrote:Wasn't Mal the one who thought he knew about mechanics but didn't? came up with daft ideas all the time? kind of a half-wit who thought he was another Ogri?

I'm a Mal, but with the great advantage of knowing I know nothing about mechanicing, so I leave well alone! I remember this Ogri cartoon where Mal has one of his crazy ideas and Kickstart thinks 'Oh no - he's got a spanner!' Any onlooker should think the same when I have tools in my hand!