Top boxes and top speed, rear carriers and max load.

[Bluebottle]

The right lever on the PCX is not part of the linked system.

Exactly.
So we've established that nothing at all prevents applying front then back on a PCX but it does prevent the opposite.
That is important to remember.

Now, remember when I said both brakes together requires modulation ?
Perhaps automatic modulation and ABS might just give Honda a system of both brakes levers being in a linked system

[gn2]

So we've established that nothing at all prevents applying front then back on a PCX

Yes, but not using the linked braking system.
All current Honda linked systems apply both front and rear brakes together during normal braking.
If a candidate rolls up for direct access test on a C-ABS equipped Honda will they be failed for using the rear brake at the same time as the front?
Because that's what the right lever on a C-ABS equipped bike does.

[michaelphillips]

i know all linked braking systems are different, on the nexus it works in three phases, the rear always being the first before front, in using this i find it very stable in all scenarios, wet or dry roads and different lean angles, techno babble below
Specifications
The scooter has an integral brake system.
This is obtained with the left-hand brake pump connected simultaneously to the rear brake calliper and
the front right calliper.
The connection to the rear calliper is direct.
The front calliper is connected via a pressure control valve with two thresholds.
The correct splitting of the braking force is also obtained via the dimensioning of the diameters of the
discs and of the plungers of the callipers.
The integral brake system is also designed to meet higher standards of safety. To this end, simple
deceleration is obtained only with the rear brake.
When the pump pressure exceeds 8 bar, front and rear brake operate simultaneously.
In this phase the increases in the pump pressure are detected by both the callipers.
When the front brake pressure reaches 23 bar, a new phase of limitation starts.
Any increments in the pump pressure will be detected in linear mode by the rear calliper.
The front calliper only detects slight increases, for example 80 bar rear corresponding to 31.7 bar front.
Any demands for excessive braking force will always result in a loss of rear wheel traction.
This condition helps to avoid dangerous locking of the front wheel.
When the traction conditions, load and speed permit the use of the full braking force.

[gn2]

on my C-ABS equipped Silver Wing the right lever applies the front brake to a single disc with a Combined 3-piston caliper. The rear brake is also a single disc but with a dual-piston caliper, and the left lever applies the rear brake and a portion of the front brake.

You're right, I've made a mistake, however the principle remains the same, the linked brake applies front and rear together.
There are bikes with C-ABS where the right brake lever applies both front and rear brakes.

[Bluebottle]

Yes there are, but if you turn up for your part one on a Super Blackbird you are 'kin nuts.

However you do as you are told, brake front lever, rear lever, collect your certificate and off home for tea and buns.

If you want to be a dick and argue your right lever isn't a front brake and you are not therefore braking front first you are dumb as well as nuts......and still wrong.
Better to be thought stupid than open your mouth and prove it.

Show the man "front then rear" and the whizz bang stuff will do its thing thus:

[gn2]

Yes there are

That wasn't too hard was it?

[Bluebottle]

Nope,
but it is the fourth time I've said it to you after all - and third time of explaining that it works against your assertion not for it.

You got all this wrong:
Physics
can't be done on a bike with linked brakes
Linked means simultaneous
Linked brakes are designed to stop front then rear
The linked system part doesn't allow it
C-ABS doesn't allow it
Yet Honda don't do the opposite
some wierd idea about test issues

Doesnt really have any legs left to stand on does it

[gn2]

The world's largest motorcycle manufacturer advises to use both front and rear together and designs their linked braking systems such that these systems apply front and rear together.
And I don't care a flying fuck what your qualifications or job are, I'll take Honda's word for it over yours any day.

[rintintin]

from top boxes to flying fucks.......I love this forum

[Bluebottle]

I know Rintintin, but you knew it was coming didn't you

Just to be clear, I haven't disagreed with Honda so we can cross that one out too