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Bright sun problems

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:54 pm
by kegelban
Fellow muppets.

I've got sensitive eyes and most of the time when outdoors, even if overcast, I have to wear sunglasses. On bright mornings when commuting even a combo of cat.3 glasses and the VPS visor in my Nolan helmet may not be enough for me. To give you an idea how bad things are, at one point I owned a pair of Julbo cat. 4 mountaineering glasses (the ones that warn you not to wear them for driving) and I still needed to lower the VPS visor when riding into the low sun. So one of the problems is this riding directly into the sun, which is so painful that no amount of glasses and visors can save me and even if they do I end up not seeing the traffic around me.

I thought adding an opaque visor at an angle to the helmed (like a baseball hat) could help on many occasions -- because the problem is only the upper part of the field of vision. I wondered why so few motorcycle helmets have these visors (only moto-X seem to have from my enquiry) or even are easily amenable. I ordered the "Super-Visor" stateside, got a new Nolan faceshield and carefully followed instructions on sanding the areas on top of the faceshield and attaching the Super-Visor to it with the glue provided. It only lasted a couple of days though, (it was a definite improvement in blocking sunlight and glare). After that the visor detached itself. I think this is because the difference in the natural curve of the faceshield and the visor created pressure at the mount points that gradually overcame the gluing force. See the photos if curious.

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The other problem is the fogging. I was blessed in previous years with very good Bolle Swisher sunglasses that did not fog up at all, even with the faceshield closed. These are long out of production so not sold even on ebay now. I had to start using other sunglasses and I have not yet found a pair that would be immune to fogging. That Julbo cat.4 and another Julbo pair with Cameleon lens claimed to have antifog coating, but alas, they do fog up unless I crack the faceshield open. All other glasses (and I am a freak going through 6 pairs a year) are even worse -- I had three motorcycling sunglasses from Hein Gericke, all fogged up like crazy. The new Bolle stuff is also no good. I am a bit despaired because on extremely cold or wet days it's not very comfortable to ride with the faceshield up all the time.

Anyone knows a brand that is fully fog-proof? Anyone heard of Revo stuff? Any other ideas about add-on visors? Any ideas appreciated.

Re: Bright sun problems

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:08 pm
by MrGrumpy
1st suggestion - Do you use polarised sunglasses? I find that they do help quite a lot with glare - I have some that are light reactive and polarised (with prescription lenses) that I wear most of the time in bright weather.
I have accessory internal sun shields in my helmets (Sun-Ax I think they are called), which slide in between the shell and liner. These help a helluva lot.
Have you tried a peaked helmet ie kind of motocross / Dual purpose thing along the lines of the Arai Tour-X? I have often toyed with getting something along these lines to shield your eyes from a low angled sun. I seem to remember than Held and Grex have done peaked full face helmets.
However, if you have a very low sun at dawn/dusk there is very little you can do! There have been occasions where I've been going up a hill into a low winter sun and been totally blinded...and ended up on the wrong side of the (fortunately) very quiet road!

Re: Bright sun problems

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:14 pm
by Sylar
kegelban, my visor kept steaming up, i took off the plastic mouth covering( i have a caberg flip up for winter), and enlarged the breathing holes. It took a couple of attempts to get it right ,but i don't steam up anymore. :)

Re: Bright sun problems

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:15 pm
by MrGrumpy
Just looked on the Super-Visor site. The Sunblocker thing they also sell is a broadly similar idea to the Sun-Ax visor inserts I use, though the Sun-Ax slides into the helmet, whilst the Sunblocker sticks to the Visor.

Re: Bright sun problems

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:53 pm
by gn2
Move to Greenock, you'll never see any sun there.

Re: Bright sun problems

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:44 am
by capitano
Meldrew wrote:
I didn't go along with all that sand down a visor and glue bollocks, I just used waterproof heavy duty Velcro adhesive tape to mount the Super-Visor onto the Schuberth's visor. I mounted it lower than the instructions say as I wanted the two brow level reflective patches on the helmet to be visible. The Velcro has been fine and the Super-Visor has stayed in place in all weather conditions and at all speeds.

Early last year I replaced the Velcro for 3M Dual-Lock which keeps the Super-Visor even more rigid, and I recommended you try either to remount it onto your Nolan.
...or alternatively use some adhesive that will stay stuck. I'd recommend Soudall Fix-all but you will need a silicon gun to dispense it.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Manufacture ... index.html

Re: Bright sun problems

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:30 pm
by MrGrumpy
Meldrew wrote:
I have a Sunax fitted to my old Arai SZ and it really doesn't do much, all that pushing the liner away from the shell with a credit card to install it etc, just to find out that it's useless for riding into direct and low sun. The Sunblocker isn't much better it's just a piece of that tinted sun strip like chavs have on their cars. The Sun-Visor is the only way to go. ;)
The Super-visor looks useful - well, it probably is useful but looks hideous! But it seems that attaching it and keeping it attached is tricky. It appears to use the same dual-lock sticky fixer stuff that failed near-disastrously on my Laminar Lip, so thats not a recommendation! I really rate the Sun-ax - something like the Super Visor is probably better in the most extremely difficult conditions, but most of the time I find the Sun-ax helps an awful lot.

Re: Bright sun problems

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:28 pm
by MrGrumpy
Meldrew wrote:
This morning I rode from Cumbria to York, it was bloody cold too! When I joined the A1 South at Scotch Corner I was riding directly into bright sun and completely unaffected by it, that 'hideous' piece of plastic was doing it's job.
Were you on a black Silverwing???? I saw you!!! I was going the other way (in the car...) and I saw a black Silverwing coming the other way just as I was coming on to the Stainmore section. Wretched roadworks....3 miles of contraflow and I saw 3 workmen the entire distance!!!

I might actually try the Super-visor....I've gots loads of spare visors for my Arai collection!

Re: Bright sun problems

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:53 pm
by kegelban
Meldrew, Dual Lock tape sounds like a very good idea, thanks. Any suggestions as to which backing/adhesive combo sticks better to the plastic of the visors?

Re: Bright sun problems

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:27 pm
by kegelban
Meldrew, thanks for that, but does it matter whether the tape has Rubber Adhesive, General Purpose Acrylic, Clear Acrylic, Modified Acrylic or Low Surface Energy Acrylic Adhesive? Or are they all the same in terms of bonding to plastic?