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On the noise issue I do find that on the Silence S01 or when my hybrid car is in electric mode it is possible to creep up on walkers and cyclist when out in the country. To counteract or anticipate this I often used the indicators to make sure they get advanced warning, not much use in the car though which has nothing but that unpleasant high-pitched whine and some tyre noise. As others have said this doesn't help in town where the ( mostly ) younger generation go around with faces glued to mobile phone and ears masked by headphones ( joggers especially ).

I'm glad to find that there is a wide range of opinion on this forum and I would hate it if we only heard the same dogmatic themes carried by mainstream media. For myself I am in the fortunate position of being able to afford some of the most recent technologies and understand their limitations from direct experience.
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I actually find that electric cars are surprisingly noisy - there's a lot of tyre noise and various strange whines from the drive - easily audible to a pedestrian without headphones on. A petrol engine adds surprisingly little at low speeds anyway, assuming its got a decent exhaust! On the other hand, I did have an electric scoot whizz past me in the estate, and that WAS quiet!

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If some idiot gets killed by a vehicle because he/she can't be bothered to look then it's natures way of stopping them breeding.

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We need to wake up.

The PCA is standing ready in the wings.

Or personal Carbon Allowance.

Where you could be fined aoutomatically if you go over it monthly etc.

Plus massive monitoring of all we are doing or spending our own money on etc.

And its not about the climate at the end of the day.

Mind you the UK is going to be so skint soon anway.

Hands up though if Electirc scooters were more affordable I would go for one as they have a proper swinging arm, so more comfortable.

They will be mande in China though, more than likely !!!

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XP500FUN wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:43 am We need to wake up.

The PCA is standing ready in the wings.

Or personal Carbon Allowance.

Where you could be fined aoutomatically if you go over it monthly etc.

Plus massive monitoring of all we are doing or spending our own money on etc.
You have a source for this information I assume, yes?

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Capitano, just Google it. I did and I'm raging with anger. We need a bloody revolution in this country.

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Yes Capitano PCA is very much a thing.

Personal Carbon Allowance.

Its all about Money, Water, Land, Power, Information, and increased control etc using Carbon as the tool.

Its expected it would even be a different amount per different foods you buy etc etc.

It basically like the Carbon Tax on Companies and a targeted mechanism to apply it to each individual.

And a recesssion will only hurry these controls along sadly.

Don`t mean to be too negatvie, had a nice ride out in the sun last evening. Sorry sort of thing.

PS I know this rant isn`t excatly about our scootering, but by heck, it would seriously affect it.

It will even effect how you feel as you step out of your front door to do most things I think.

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smeghead wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:38 am Capitano, just Google it. I did and I'm raging with anger. We need a bloody revolution in this country.
I did. The most I could find as regards progress on it is a white paper.

Our resident civil servant can probably advise better on how far most white papers get.

I wasn't doubting its existence, I just got the impression that it was a done-deal from XP500's post.

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Waldorf wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:47 am
knight2 wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:05 pm Waldorf says
"Lack of noise from electric road vehicles is certainly a matter which needs to be addressed."

NO IT DOESN'T,
YES, IT DOES!
Perhaps I should have said 'sound' not 'noise'.
A world without sound is a dangerous place.
We rely on our sense of hearing possibly more than our sense of sight.
You have assumed I suggest that electric vehicles should be made noisy.
That is not the case: 'Addressing the problem' is most importantly educating road-users called pedestrians to use their eyes properly and efficiently.
I am right.
When eletric vehicles started appearing on our roads there was a lot of discussion about making them emit a noise of some sort so they could hear them approaching and this what I thought ( incorrectly ) you meant. So in that case yes, you're right. What I would say is good luck with that because I think you will have the same amount of success as has been had trying to get cyclist to realise that HGV's are bad for their health. Despite all that has been done and it is a hell of a lot they will still cycle up the N/S of a HGV (or LGV as they are now called) even if it's indicators are flashing and then blame the driver when they get flattened, if they are still alive. I think the same will happen with electric vehicles the onus will be on the driver.

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Data wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:54 pm I've not heard of any specific ban on bikes up to 125cc by 2030 Smeg. All ICE engined bikes are going in 2035. It's been widely published.

There is a lot of internet mythology about EV's, much of it completely untrue. I do buy into the "electric cars are good for the environment" arguement. They are also good for your pocket. It's easy to work out why. I have family that bought them & none of them will ever go back to an ice. Even with our current higher electricity costs they are miles cheaper to run by far. Also very cheap to service costing between 25-30% of the cost of an ice engined car. The science & practical experience of recent years is showing considerable EV advantages over ice cars for both whole of life carbon emissions & running costs. JD Power says EV's are also proving to be the most reliable form of car road transport. The electric motors are bullet proof & simply don't wear out like ice engines do. They offer performance unmatched by ice's. It's common for the motors to cover over half a million miles without trouble. That's according to the Americans & indeed the trade.

Loads of myths about EV's have recently been busted especially the one about particulate matter from brakes & tyres being as great or greater than an ice car. In fact there are fewer particulates from EV's due to regenerative braking.

There are just so many reasons to buy one in stead of an ICE car. Lithium Ion batteries in particular are proving to have a very long life cycle indeed. Many 13 & 14 year old Nissan Leaf EV's with 100,000+ miles on the clock still have 88-90% battery capacity. This indicates you could run the batteries perhaps for 20yrs or more. Cost to replace the batteries is now quite low by comparison to a few years ago & is going lower each year. You can liken the battery packs to an ice engine. It will eventually wear out. Everything is finite even petrol engines. But Li-on batts are surpassing all expectations. When they do need replacing the batteries can now be recycled into brand new batteries. Nothing is wasted. This is already being done in a small way at specialist factories. More factories are being built to cope with the batteries so there's not really an issue. As yet though, there are few Li-on batteries that need replacing.
DATA You make it sound so good, but it isn't, there are loads of articles on this subject on the web but I picked this one from the BBC so you know it comes from a fairly reputable scource. the damage this is going to cause to the enviroment on the scale it will be done is stunning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49759626

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